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REPENT!!!!!!<br /><br />Why did GOD say "do not partake"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-738615154541482932.post-78285343827340442592011-09-08T01:35:14.730-07:002011-09-08T01:35:14.730-07:00The LDS may see a benefit that resulted from the F...The LDS may see a benefit that resulted from the Fall"?<br /><br />What would have Been of Adam and Eve if they Did Obey GOD and did not Fall?<br /><br />Would Adam and Eve have "BLESSINGS" with held if they Obeyed GOD?<br /><br />Mormons suggest that the FALL was a "BLESSED' act.<br />Blessed by who? God or Lucifer?<br /><br />Mormons suggest thatby Dis-Obeying GOD that GOD gave some kind of Blessings.<br /><br />2 Deaths and Eternal?<br /><br />Mormons are Gnostic and you Admit IT<br />"The LDS may see a benefit that resulted from the Fall," that is all a Gnostic Gnotion-<br /><br />GOD expressed his WORD -Do NOT PARTAKE - Adam Dis-Obeys GOD and Mormons say It was a "Blessed" act and the Will of GOD, and Part of GOD's Plan - GOD said No - Lucifer Said Yes - Adam follows Lucifer - Mormons say IT is a Blessing<br /> WHO is YOUR GOD? IS HE HOLY and TRUE?<br /><br />Why did GOD say "do not Partake"? <br />Was God right or wrong?<br />Was Lucifer right or wrong?<br />Are there any other Blessings that could be had by Dis-obeying GOD?<br />Could you share a story about how you were blessed by following Lucifer, besides the Mormon one about the Fall?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-738615154541482932.post-47805156042542244192011-09-07T02:46:42.904-07:002011-09-07T02:46:42.904-07:00John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they migh...John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, <br /><br />Who is your God and is your God Holy?<br /><br />Adam sinned - How? Why?<br /><br />ADAM and EVE Dis-Obeyed GOD by following the Words and Will of Lucifer - Adam and Eve partook of the Gnosis Tree of Death - <br /><br />Romans 6:23<br />23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.<br /><br />GOD gave Adam and Eve the Gift of the TREE of ETERNAL LIFE - <br /><br />Adam and Eve were Tempted by Lucifer to FALL<br />Adam and Eve were not "BLESSED" by a Confused GOD for Dis-obeying GOD'S Commands- <br />The FALL was Against GOD'S Word, Will, and Commandment.<br /><br />GOD was not and is not confused in his Word, Will or Commands - GOD does Not have a Secret Will or Wish that we Break any of his Commands- <br /><br />His Will, Word, and Commands are NOT<br />" apparently contradictory commands" as the Mormons Like to say. <br /><br />Following Lucifer and Falling is Not a Blessing, Never was, Never will Be.<br /><br />Is Your GOD Trusty Worthy? Is His WORD TRUSTWORTY? DO NOT MAKE GOD a LIAR !!!<br /><br />Who is your God and is your God Holy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-738615154541482932.post-83525280538052316372011-09-06T02:16:50.984-07:002011-09-06T02:16:50.984-07:00The FALL Down to Death - Redemption? Eternal Life?...The FALL Down to Death - Redemption? Eternal Life?<br /><br />GOD could not be GOD and be Double minded in His Word, Will, Thought, or Deed.<br /><br />GOD Said "DO NOT" partake - GOD was not confused When GOD said "NOT"<br /><br />GOD was not depending on Lucifer to bring "REAL" Eternal Life to MAN <br /><br />GOD did not withhold Eternal Life From MAN - Adam<br />because of Eve Partook Of the Tree of Death - Yes the Gnosis Tree brought HELL/Death to Man. Both Deaths and Eternal in nature.<br /><br />If GOD wished/willed that man would Fall he would have said so. God said DO NOT PARTAKE<br /><br />Which god said "Partake" and Which god said "Do Not Partake" ?<br /><br />Who is your God and is your God Holy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-738615154541482932.post-20893545484851864472011-09-04T17:28:16.808-07:002011-09-04T17:28:16.808-07:00According to "Mormonism" the only way we...According to "Mormonism" the only way we could be "BLESSED" and have any type of Eternal Life Salvation, or Exaltation was that Adam would Dis-obey GOD -<br /><br /> Yes Lucifer played a Great part in GOD's Plan. Lucifer open the door for mankind. According to Mormonism Lucifer Opened the doorway to Mankind to receive Eternal Life and being Born. God could not do it without Lucifer.<br /><br />According to Mormonism GOD's Plan was Frustrated and in Contradiction The mormon God gave commandments that could not be Fulfilled- Lucifer saved the day by 'helping" mankind to Receive "blessings" The Gnosis, Having children and Eternal Life. <br /><br /><br />According to MASONS/MORMONS Man would not and could not BE, or Have "REAL" Eternal Life unless Lucifer Helped ADAM and EVE to Dis-Obey GOD<br /> <br />It was only thru dis-obeying GOD that the "REAL" blessing of Heaven could Be Had.<br /><br />The Who Idea of the Gnosic Gospel is in Mormonism/Masonry -V/s those of Faith that Obey GOD out of love. GOD Provided the TREE OF LIFE as a Free Gift.<br /><br />The Mason/Mormon is Climbing Ladders and Building Towers to Heaven<br /><br />John 10:1<br />1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.<br /><br />You can only go to Mormon Heaven if you go to the Masonic/Mormon temples and also get a permission slip from Joseph Smith in the after world.<br /><br />The Whole Idea of the Fall and what was the True Gospel - Starts in the Garden Story<br /><br /> And the Idea that not Obeying GOD give us access to the Greater "Blesssings" is Gnostic<br /><br />Mormonism/Masonry/Gnosticism is another "Gospel"<br /><br />The Right and Holy thing is to Trust and Follow GODS Words and Commands<br /><br />Following Lucifer Does not Result in the better or the best "Blessing" unless you believe Lucifer is the god that blesses you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-738615154541482932.post-82435028768781719402011-08-23T02:13:46.540-07:002011-08-23T02:13:46.540-07:0010 And in that day Adam blessed God and was filled...10 And in that day Adam blessed God and was filled, and began to prophesy concerning all the families of the earth, saying: Blessed be the name of God, for because of my (transgression) my eyes are opened, and in this life I shall have ejoy, and again in the flesh I shall see God.<br /><br /> 11 And Eve, his wife, heard all these things and was glad, saying: Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed, and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient.<br /><br />2 Ne. 2:23 (22–25)<br />And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no (sin).<br /><br />SIN no Sin?<br />Transgression no Transgression?<br /><br />These two Scriptures are used as "NEW" revelation that make clear that the Gnostic/Luciferian Doctrine is justified as Mormon Doctrine-<br /><br />Even as an 'X" Mormon I can tell you that there is more than one way of Looking a POGP 5: and 2nd Nephi 2:<br /><br />I will not try to defend against luciferian/Gnosticism in Mormonism because it is Growing.<br />But you do well to know the difference between the words "WOULD" and the word "SHOULD"<br /><br />WOULD COULD SHOULD 3 and different<br /><br />Please Under stand that Eve was Tricked, Adam was Not- After Eve Partook -Adam THEN made the Choice to Fulfill the First Commandment BUT Only because Eve had Partook and Only After Eve Partook.<br /><br />22And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed He would not have fallen, but He would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end.<br />23And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.<br /><br />That Scripture Says that The Fall came about BY ADAM Not EVE - infact unless ADAM Partook with his Wife there would Be NO Fall - ADAM fell that Man Might BE - The Women being deceived was in Trangression - ADAM was Not Deceived -<br /><br />The LDS church has made a doctrinal turn down a dead end street- And now Embraces GnosticismAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-738615154541482932.post-63409674205138228782011-08-23T01:38:20.283-07:002011-08-23T01:38:20.283-07:00"and the eternal life which God giveth unto a..."and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient." OBEDIENT to Who and What? <br /> "wherein he became subject to the will of the devil, because he yielded unto temptation." <br />DIS-OBEDIENT?<br />"It has always been difficult to discuss “spiritual” matters with you because you look at everything so secularly." Are you a JUDGE of Souls?<br /> <br />All of the nice phrases will not Mason Luciferianism into Goodness- <br /><br />LET me Repeat GOD is not to be Mocked with your faith on Mormon double speak - It is sure that the Mormon Position on the FALL is Gnostic - <br /><br />Mormonism takes it further down the road of Doom by say silly things Like the Commands were <br />"contradictory"<br /><br />"Mormonism believes that the Fall was necessary as part of God's plan to redeem and exalt his children. When God placed Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, he gave them two seemingly contradictory commandments: First, to "multiply and replenish the earth"; and second, not to partake of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil."<br /><br />The Brethern are Clear that the "FALL" was a "BLESSING" "wherein he became subject to the will of the devil, because he yielded unto temptation." <br />THE GNOSIS was part of the "BLESSING"<br /><br />Not just the follow-up plan of redemption!!!<br /><br />The Fall was not an accident, not an obstruction to God's plan, and not a wrong turn in the course of humanity. "The Lord…created the earth that it should be inhabited" by his children (1 Ne. 17:36), and since Adam and Eve would have had no children in their Edenic condition, the Fall was a benefit to mankind. It was part of the Father's plan, being both foreknown to him and essential to the human family. All these things were "done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things" (2 Ne. 2:24).<br />eom.byu.edu/index.php/Fall_of_Adam<br /><br />When Adam and Eve were placed in the Garden of Eden, they were not yet mortal. They were not able to have children. There was no death. They had physical life because their spirits were housed in physical bodies made from the dust of the earth (see Abraham 5:7). They had spiritual life because they were in the presence of God (see Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 268)<br /><br />Was the FALL the Right, Holy, Proper and "Blessed" "act of God" OF ADAM doing the acts of the FATHER under the Guidance, Will, Instruction "Wish" of the HOLY GHOST -----or wall he doing the acts of the Devil and Lucifer - <br /><br />Who's Will and Desire was to receive and give the Greatest Blessing - The Father or Lucifer?<br /><br />Please give a straight answer.<br /><br />The TRUTH is right infront of youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-738615154541482932.post-44129166028846531212011-08-22T23:31:02.871-07:002011-08-22T23:31:02.871-07:00This story doesn’t exactly parallel the Fall, but ...This story doesn’t exactly parallel the Fall, but I hope it illustrates why Jesus was telling Nicodemus how important it was that he too become born of the Spirit. It is impossible for us to learn to see eye to eye with God or with each other without it. It is the same when my young son wants to help me work on something complicated. I allow him to help me, but he wants to do it his way or questions my decision-making. Since he is unable to see the big picture, he gets frustrated because I cannot answer his demands the way he wants them answered. <br /><br />I am not trying to compare you to a child or to an unwise inmate, but I am trying to say that we ALL are like that when we do not learn to live our lives in a way that progressively strengthens our ability to be led by the Holy Ghost unto a perfect understanding of God. <br /><br />The LDS may see a benefit that resulted from the Fall, but it isn’t that Adam and Eve learned to follow Lucifer. It is that God’s Infinite Goodness provided an Atonement and growth through the Holy Spirit for them to eventually obtain more than they had previously enjoyed in the Garden experience. Just like my friend, nobody but Satan was happy that laws and commandments were broken and punishments were handed out, but the lessons learned through repentance, the Atonement, and Holy Ghost were priceless. <br /><br />It is not my desire to play dodgeball with long-windedness, but to encourage ALL men, LDS or not, to learn to stop playing dodgeball with the Holy Ghost and start growing into the fullness of God’s power and presence through the Atonement of Christ. I think that David would agree that that is his purpose in exploring the mystical side of the gospel. It is so crucial for us to stop looking at the gospel (LDS or not) in a secular way (yes, many LDS do it too), and start to support each other in systematic and more deliberate efforts to grow into the fullness of God through the blessings of Jesus Christ’s Atonement and His gospel.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870880558522782282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-738615154541482932.post-55508738365455706172011-08-22T23:29:04.161-07:002011-08-22T23:29:04.161-07:00Disobedience to God is wrong, and all parties invo...Disobedience to God is wrong, and all parties involved were punished. <br /><br />However, “I say unto you that I, the Lord God, gave unto Adam and unto his seed, that they should not die as to the temporal death, until I, the Lord God, should send forth angels to declare unto them repentance and redemption, through faith on the name of mine Only Begotten Son” (D&C 29:42).<br /><br />After years of obedient labor and sacrifice (Moses 4:1-6) Adam and Eve did not rejoice in their Fall. Even after the angel finally appeared and taught them about repentance and redemption through Christ they did not rejoice in their Fall (Moses 4:7-8). It was not their private interpretation of these events that lead them to rejoice. It was only after “the Holy Ghost fell upon Adam, which beareth record of the Father and the Son, saying: I am the Only Begotten of the Father from the beginning, henceforth and forever, that as thou hast fallen thou mayest be redeemed, and all mankind, even as many as will” (Moses 5:9), that “in that day Adam blessed God and was filled, and began to prophesy concerning all the families of the earth, saying: Blessed be the name of God, for because of my transgression my eyes are opened, and in this life I shall have joy, and again in the flesh I shall see God. And Eve, his wife, heard all these things and was glad, saying: Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed, and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient. And Adam and Eve blessed the name of God, and they made all things known unto their sons and their daughters (Moses 5:10-12).<br /><br />Although the God commanded sacrifice and angel expounded teachings were good and holy, it was not by Adam and Eve’s private interpretation of these things that brought them true clarity, hope, and joy. Those blessing only come when Holy Ghost illuminates our understandings. <br /><br />Unfortunately when it does, most of our peers do not understand our logic or reasoning for rejoicing. For example, I was once working for a company that did pick-up and delivery services for a Federal Prison manufacturing warehouse. During my time there I got to meet many inmates that were employed by this warehouse. One of them told me of his story. He was raised in a wealthy family with everything he ever wanted (Paradise). As he got older he would race BMWs very dangerously with his friends. After he graduated from college, he got involved with money embezzling at his work, and that is how he ended up in prison (punishment). He told me prison was the best thing that had ever happened to him (rejoicing). Many of the other inmates heard this and shouted profanities about how he was crazy and such (arguments about who was right). He pulled me aside and told me that before prison, he thought he was free and knew how to live life to the fullest (Adam and Eve had not reached their full potential in the Garden and sought more through Satan). Then he got quiet and told me that it was during his time in prison that he truly learned what freedom and fulfillment was all about (as Adam and Eve struggled through mortality, they learned to appreciate where true freedom and fulfillment come from—the Atonement of Jesus Christ, not their own misguided choices). Although he wished he would have started his life out living right, he would not trade his life experiences and the lessons they taught him for the world. His fellow inmates were not ready to understand his answer, but I did, because we both saw things from the same perspective because of similar experiences.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870880558522782282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-738615154541482932.post-1977444442385037032011-08-22T23:27:42.883-07:002011-08-22T23:27:42.883-07:00It has always been difficult to discuss “spiritual...It has always been difficult to discuss “spiritual” matters with you because you look at everything so secularly. As we have had difficulty in the past, even to where my pride has gotten the best of me (my apology), I was hoping that this go-around might not end up contentious. It is clear that you are looking for a black-and-white answer to a loaded question. The answer you seek is right in front of your face, but you don’t see. Or you may just be determined to have “Mormons” admit that they are wrong despite what the truth really is. Either way, you have expressed in the past that you have feelings of frustration and do not really feel comfortable with any denomination or sect. It is that Anonymous that I am hoping to speak with. The “more sure word of prophecy” that I speak of is not recorded scripture or any LDS writings, it is the power of the Holy Ghost that any person needs in order to understand the gospel. Although I have been baptized in the LDS Church, any person LDS or not that will not allow themselves to be lead by the Holy Ghost is converting their gospel experience into a private interpretation. “Jesus answered and said unto [Nicodemus], Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God… Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness” (John 3: 3, 11). Although Jesus is witnessing to Nicodemus about what He has seen and known, He has first encouraged Nicodemus to become born again (by the Spirit) so that he may see or perceive the kingdom of God. In other words, Jesus teaches the necessity of all me to become born of the Spirit if they wish to perceive the organization, order, manner of workings, intricacies, etc. of how God is conducting His affairs. It is only through the aid of the Holy Ghost that mankind can grow into the body of Christ with Him as their Head. The Holy Ghost unifies, while private interpretation separates. Although we have differing viewpoints on some areas, the Holy Ghost it attempting to unify us despite either persons personal weaknesses (I have many). It would be easy to argue, debate, bash, etc. about a particular point, but the greater truth is that the Savior is working “to reconcile all things unto himself… whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven” (Colossians 1:20). I could tell you what you want to hear or tell you something else, but it will not accomplish the greater purposes of God. I opt to do what I can to not hinder God’s success in your life, and encourage you to seek to know Him and become one with Him. It is through this that He will help you find peace and fulfillment about your questions. <br /><br />It is interesting though that there are parallels between this situation and the one you seek answers about. In the Garden of Eden story Adam (although of his own free will he chose to remain with Eve, rather than eat because of Satan’s tempting), Eve, and Satan were ALL wrong. <br /><br />(I have chosen LDS scripture to also attempt to share with you how LDS really view the Fall)<br /><br />Even according to LDS scripture:<br />Wherefore, it came to pass that the devil tempted Adam, and he partook of the forbidden fruit and transgressed the commandment, wherein he became subject to the will of the devil, because he yielded unto temptation. Wherefore, I, the Lord God, caused that he should be cast out from the Garden of Eden, from my presence, because of his transgression, wherein he became spiritually dead, which is the first death, even that same death which is the last death, which is spiritual, which shall be pronounced upon the wicked when I shall say: Depart, ye cursed (D&C 29: 40-41).Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870880558522782282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-738615154541482932.post-34721276811923865232011-08-21T03:14:27.935-07:002011-08-21T03:14:27.935-07:00GOD said do NOT partake -
Lucifer said Partake -
...GOD said do NOT partake -<br />Lucifer said Partake - <br /><br />Was it "better" that Adam did not obey GOD?<br /><br />Mormon answer YES<br /><br />Christian answer NO <br /><br />You play dodge ball with long windedness and by not being direct- you avoid the Truth with invalidations-<br />"If you continue to disregard the Almighty God and the blessings that come through His Christ, you will continue to turn the Holy Scriptures into dead words in a dead book. <br />19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed,""Regardless of any recorded material, any interpretation not given by the Holy Ghost is private and therefore false."<br /><br />Mormons have Made mockery of GOD saying He Gave the Two commandments in contridiction one with another - The Mockery is from freemasonry and the luciferian doctrine - Those that believe That the Advice of Lucifer was a Blessing are deceived - The FALL was not a blessing - You can talk all about your being conformed into the Image of GOD - But if you call him a Liar first - You also Mock GOD - MORMONS Say GOD gave Two commandments in Contridiction - Mormons also Say that following the Advice of Lucifer and to diobey GOD the "FALL" was a blessing - Like a gift from GOD - Answer the real question - WAS THE FALL A BLESSING FROM GOD?<br /><br />" We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed"?????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-738615154541482932.post-23315682446126836422011-08-20T02:53:22.033-07:002011-08-20T02:53:22.033-07:00Regardless of any recorded material, any interpret...Regardless of any recorded material, any interpretation not given by the Holy Ghost is private and therefore false. I have encouraged you not to embrace the LDS perspective, but to embrace the inspiration that God so anxiously awaits to give you. Not so that you can become an authority, but so that He can help you become one with Him eventually. All this coming through the Atonement of Jesus Christ and by the power of the Holy Ghost. Please turn your focus unto becoming one with Him through Christ and not unto arguments on a secular level. <br /><br />“I want to teach you to turn to the Creator, rather than to me, because He is the only strength, the only Source of all that exists, the only One who can really help you, and He awaits your prayers for help. When you seek help in your search for freedom from the bondage of this world, help in elevating yourself above this world, help in finding the self, and help in determining your purpose in life, you must turn to the Creator, who sends you all those aspirations in order to compel you to turn to Him.”<br /><br />If you continue to disregard the Almighty God and the blessings that come through His Christ, you will continue to turn the Holy Scriptures into dead words in a dead book. <br /><br />19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:<br />20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.<br />21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (2 Peter 1:19 - 21)<br /><br />So you also need the Holy Ghost in order to understand what is written in the scripture. As long as you use your own logic to make sense of the scriptures, you continue to prevent God from explaining to you how to use them in order to gain greater access to His Presence. <br /><br />The scriptures are like a doorway and door that divides mortal man from the presence of God. Some people approach the scriptures and are impressed by the trueness of the frame, the strength of the door, and the perfection of the entire architecture. Other people approach the scriptures and are impressed by the mechanics and power of the hinges and lock. As these people become expert in the science of the doorway they easily attract and impress others with their vast knowledge and wisdom. “I could never begin to gain such a knowledge or understand such things on my own,” some onlookers say. “We must protect and defend our teachers at all costs,” other onlookers say. And while the frame may be true, the door may be strong, the architecture perfect, the hinges and lock powerful and impressive, the purpose of the scriptures is to open the door and allow mortal man access to the fullness of the presence of God.<br /><br />I continue to encourage you to use the scriptures to gain access to the power and presence of God through Christ’s Atonement and the power of the Holy Ghost. Using them to argue private interpretation is not helping you to gain the fulfillment and joy that you seek and that God desires that you receive. <br /><br />I do not consider you a devil, but a child of God in search of the joy and fulfillment that only He can provide, and this through His Christ and Holy Spirit.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870880558522782282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-738615154541482932.post-33109556928118260572011-08-20T01:47:07.583-07:002011-08-20T01:47:07.583-07:00The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Me...The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints<br />Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (also known as Mormons, or LDS more specifically) The early blessing of God to Adam and Eve to "multiply and replenish" (Gen 1:28) is connected to the later command of God to Adam and Eve to not partake of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (Gen. 2:16-17). Therefore these two aspects of the creation account are taught as to be obligatory yet apparently contradictory commands of God. The disobedience of Eve and Adam, therefore, becomes not quite the cause for humanity's perpetual ancestral or original sin condition (were it not for the sacrifice of Jesus Christ), per se, but a "fall forward." The Fall was a separation from living communion with God, yet was a necessary transgression intended by God so that humankind may come to be and experience joy:<br />Mormonism believes that the Fall was necessary as part of God's plan to redeem and exalt his children. When God placed Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, he gave them two seemingly contradictory commandments: First, to "multiply and replenish the earth"; and second, not to partake of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.<br />Mormonism emphasizes that Adam and Eve's subsequent partaking of the fruit was a "transgression," not a sin. Eve, after partaking, understood that without partaking of the fruit they could have no posterity, and hence could not fulfill the command to multiply and replenish the earth, partook of the fruit; Adam, seeing that his wife would be driven out of the Garden and he would be alone and unable to fulfill God’s command, partook as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-738615154541482932.post-91859103079239089852011-08-20T01:27:52.938-07:002011-08-20T01:27:52.938-07:00Because you need to know - If I were Lucifer and t...Because you need to know - If I were Lucifer and the Devil himself - and if Mormonsim with all of Its beliefs Temple Masonry- Luciferian/Gnostic View are Wrong - in the End iT will be about the Truth - Not ME-<br /><br />It will not be about your Pre-judgements of Trying to Nail Me down - Let the Truth be the focus - <br /><br />Mormon have crossed over from the traditional<br />"Christian" view of the Fall and are in the Gnostic Camp along with Lilith, Sophia, Promethesis, Luciferians, Master Masons, Witches, The list goes on and on - Every wonder Why? Joseph Smith and The early Leaders Were MASTER MASONS - Sworn to the Devil in the Wicked and Forbidden Manner-<br />In FreeMasonry to Make the Perfect Oath and Covenant to Lucifer Thru Cain and Tubal Cain.<br />"19 For the Lord worketh not in secret combinations, neither doth he will that man should shed blood, but in all things hath forbidden it, from the beginning of man.'<br />34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne:<br /> 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.<br /> 36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-738615154541482932.post-23223210735087081512011-08-20T01:01:50.052-07:002011-08-20T01:01:50.052-07:00Is Eternal Life to Know GOD?
The first example in ...Is Eternal Life to Know GOD?<br />The first example in the Old T Book is GOD's interaction with Man (ADAM ) - Mormons seems to have the Luciferian View of the Fall - <br /><br />The "Christians" do Not embrace the Luciferian Doctrine. The Mormons do I have Quoted in the many post above from Preisthood Manuals, BYU Talks, G.A. Talks - Church Books and Others that Mormons Beleive that the Fall was Upwards and a Blessing from GOD- <br /><br />You must know Who to TRUST - GOD- GOD said do not Partake - Then came the Great Curses. Then GOD in his Mercy thru GRACE provides Salvation at a very Great Price NOT MERITED NOT Earned a Free Gift Like the Tree of Life- <br /><br />The Tree of Gnosis of EVIL and Good <br />in OPPOSITION <br />to the <br />TREE OF LIFEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-738615154541482932.post-17592241941422523282011-08-20T00:38:14.608-07:002011-08-20T00:38:14.608-07:00Long Winded dodge ball?
Was the True and Greater ...Long Winded dodge ball?<br /><br />Was the True and Greater Blessing to be Had thru being Obedient to GOD or Was it to be Had thru Being Obedient to Lucifer?<br /><br />When GOD said "Do not partake" did GOD really want Adam to Obey Him? Where and who could provide the Most Right True and Holy Blessings ?<br /> Who is to be obeyed and Trusted? <br /><br />It is against the Nature and Character of GOD that he would Give a Commandment but provide the Better "blessings" as Mormons like to call it by being disobedient to GOD and doing the will of Lucifer.<br /><br />Mormons are mis-lead on this issue of the Fall- and more so as of late have embraced the Luciferian Doctrine of the Fall being a "Blessing'" and Gift from GOD so we can earn our Exaltation. Falling UP ?????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-738615154541482932.post-61888523058136268872011-08-20T00:08:07.468-07:002011-08-20T00:08:07.468-07:00“Everyone’s actions would be guided by clear spiri...“Everyone’s actions would be guided by clear spiritual laws, called ‘the commandments,’ and everyone would obey them because disobeying the commandments would obviously mean inflicting harm on the self, equivalent to jumping into a fire or off a cliff. <br />If we could clearly perceive the Creator and His Providence, we would have no difficulty in performing the hardest of tasks, for the personal benefit derived from these tasks would be apparent. It would be as if we were giving all our possessions to a stranger without thinking twice about the present or future.<br />Yet, this would present absolutely no problem, since being aware of the Divine rule would enable us to see the benefits of acting selflessly. We would know that we were in the power of the kind and eternal Creator. <br />Just imagine how natural it would be (and also how unnatural and impossible it is in the present condition of Divine concealment) to give ourselves fully to the Creator, to surrender all of our thoughts and desires to Him without reservation, and to be what He wants us to be. <br />We would not have the least concern for ourselves, and would give no thought to ourselves. In fact, we would cease to be aware of our own selves and would transfer all our feelings from ourselves to Him, trying to approach Him and to live by His thoughts and His will. <br />From the above, it should be clear that the only element lacking in our world is our perception of the Creator. THE ATTAINMENT OF SUCH A PERCEPTION SHOULD BE OUR SOLE PURPOSE IN THIS WORLD. THIS IS THE ONE GOAL WE SHOULD SPARE NO EFFORT TO ACHIEVE, FOR ONLY WHEN WE CAN PERCEIVE THE CREATOR CAN WE RECEIVE HIS HELP. This would save us from both the calamities of this life and from a spiritual death, thereby according us spiritual immortality without having to return to this world” (A wise sage and my mentor for many precious truths. Emphasis added).Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870880558522782282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-738615154541482932.post-63093737377555964712011-08-20T00:07:03.607-07:002011-08-20T00:07:03.607-07:00Truly I would like to follow up any of my remarks ...Truly I would like to follow up any of my remarks unto thee Anonymous with an apology. For it is possible and even evident that my own personal weakness and egoism has manifested itself. I apologize if I have ignited thy sensitivities. For truly my innermost designs have been to turn thee on to thy God. Meaning the True and Almighty God of Heaven and Earth. In the words of a trusted mentor, I plead with thee:<br /><br />“I want to teach [or at least encourage] you [in the utmost humility] to turn to the Creator, rather than to me, because He is the only strength, the only Source of all that exists, the only One who can really help you, and He awaits your prayers for help. When you seek help in your search for freedom from the bondage of this world, help in elevating yourself above this world, help in finding the self, and help in determining your purpose in life, you must turn to the Creator, who sends you all those aspirations in order to compel you to turn to Him.<br />May the thoughts of [my mentor]… help all of us unite with the Creator in the course of our lives here in this world!<br />Our natures are responsible for constantly causing conflicts between individuals and entire nations, who, like wild animals, are engaged in a vicious struggle of the instincts. Yet, subconsciously, we cannot accept a comparison of ourselves with primitive beasts. <br />If, however, the Divine force that created us does exist, then why do we not perceive it, why does it conceal itself from us? For if we knew what It required of us, we would not commit those mistakes in our lives for which we are punished by suffering! <br />How much easier would life be if the Creator were not concealed from human beings, but were clearly perceived and seen by each and every one of us! Then, we would have no doubt of His existence. We would be able to observe the effects of His Providence on the surrounding world; realize the cause and purpose of our creation; clearly see the consequences of our actions and His response to them; be able to discuss all of our problems in a dialogue with Him; ask for His help; seek His protection and advice; complain to Him about our troubles, and ask Him to explain why He treats us as He does.<br />Finally, we would consult with Him for advice concerning the future; we would constantly be in contact with Him and we would be correcting ourselves in accordance with His advice. In the end, He would be pleased and we would benefit as well. <br />Just as a child is aware of its mother from the moment of its birth, so we would be aware of the Creator. We would learn the correct way of life by observing His reactions to our actions, and even to our intentions. We would perceive the Creator to be just as close as any mother, since we would see Him as the source of our birth, as our parent, and as the cause of our existence and that of all future life. <br />If the above were so, we would have no need for governments, schools, or educators. The existence of all nations would essentially focus on a wonderful and simple coexistence for the sake of a common cause apparent to all: our spiritual unification with the openly visible and perceivable Creator.”Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870880558522782282noreply@blogger.com