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I see Yosef has been trying to post, I see the emails, but they are not sticking for some reason. And it may be because of the amount of comments.
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2.You said that you are a Mormon and have served a mission. I assume that you have born your testimony of the “Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ” many times. In doing so, were you in fact bearing witness based upon previous spiritual experiences or were you just trying to fulfill what you thought were your obligations as a missionary?
This may be a difficult or seemingly irrelevant question to answer, however, as a spiritual advisor, I will be presenting my discourses in a manner that encourages the relevance of the topic in its effectiveness in contributing to the obtaining of adhesion with the Creator by His children. If your answer confirms fulfilling duty only, I will not look upon this with any contempt. Many brave young men in many religions set out to faithfully fulfill what they believe is their duty to God without having ever had a previous spiritual experience.
3.As I am gathering information for my first discourse on the Fall, I may be asking you some more questions based upon other people’s comments on the subject in previous posts to help me better address more specifically what it is I believe you are trying to find out. I believe that you are sincere in your desires to finally settle years of frustration, so please be patient with me. My life and work consists of learning how to gain adhesion with my Maker through the wonderful Gospel of His Son, as it has been handed down through the generations of time. You have seen my previous discourses, and I think you can see that this is the underlying purpose in my work.
Since I will be basing my discussion on this foundation, I must ask you if believe that you can gain adhesion with the Creator, and if that is what you believe the purpose of Creation and the Atoning Sacrifice of Jesus Christ was for?
These questions will not be criticized by me in any way. Again, I am only gathering information so that my discourses will more appropriately address your concerns and provide you with the closure that you seek from me. My best wishes and prayers to you and yours. It is my desire that this correspondence is fruitful for the both of us. I learn so much from everyone I have the pleasure of getting to know. Thank you for honoring me with your requests. I will try to do my best for you.
Shalom
Yosef
Post 3
Yosef, I caught some of your Post before IT fell off-
I understand that you are looking for context as to who I am, to address my perspective- Let me preface by saying that None of my responses will be a personal attack- even if I use harsh quotes, pointed or Tough Scriptures.
It will only be to add to or make a Point not a personal attack-In the end we my or may not agree with each other- And I am not too smart to learn or know that I could be wrong or missing something-
Please forgive my weak or lack of writing skills-
I was raised in an inactive LDS home- I went to two churches Nazarene and Presbyterian from 6-14 years of Age- At 14 years of Age I was Baptized LDS
I liked the Joseph Smith story- and the Church saved me from my youth- At age 21 I went to the Temple as Part of Going on a Mission- I did NOT ever Like the Endowment... But I thought some day I would understand the Endowment- Also I never agreed with The "Mormon" view of the Fall- By the way there is More than One Mormon view of the Fall- I fought with the G.A.s on my mission and told them what they were teaching False doctrine- As referenced above- Anyway after coming home from my mission
I was on my quest to find the Truth about Freemasonry , Joseph Smith and the Temple- I never have agreed with the Oaths and penalties of That stuff. I do not Belong to or endorse any other religion, lets say I do not profess any religion-
I only have a Trust in God- Read the Scriptures-
for now I am In the Observe and Report mode-
I do speak my differences of My voyage thru Mormonism- Each part of Truth is Independent and interdependent - I know that- I also recommend that you read The "Consecration" post on this web site and see what I had to say there-besides fending off personal attacks- I do not know that we will ever have a meeting of the minds- but I feel like I would trust you to give me your insights- and make an Honest presentation of your views- and I give you Mine- I do not take this as a Game- This is most Serious- and I am sincere- I know that your roots run deep- it is Reflected in you Person- If we do not agree that is what it Is- but your thoughts will be respected- and seen by many- It is all about the Truth- One day I will die and have to Answer to God,
I hope and pray for Mercy and Forgiveness for us all
I hope we are standing with GOD in spite of our Humanity and weakness. God bless us all, I know I need it.
Anonymous,
After great consideration, I have decided to make an attempt at discussing your issues with you. However, I am not a debater, nor have I attended any type of western bible college whereas I would have obtained an official degree or certificate in secular theology. I view myself as the lowly student, but in some circles, I have become known as a spiritual advisor of some sorts. I am preparing some discourses for you similar in style to the ones that I have posted on “Christmas” and “Idolatry”. I do not believe that either of those was contrary to the “LDS point of view” as you state it. I will continue with your issues as I have done previously. Because my background is not typical of westerners, I can only approach this situation as I am accustomed to. If it seems awkward please excuse my faults in western customs and mannerisms. However, as a spiritual advisor, I will try to do all I can to customize my discourses to meet your personal needs. Since we have never met, I can only accommodate you based upon what I read here. You requested that the comments discussed remain focused on the issue and not yourself. Although this has been stated, it seems to me (from reading many of you previous posts) that your questions have not been adequately answered, hence you now request of me to address your topics. I have no interest in attacking you or your personal beliefs, but feel that it is necessary to have some basis to start from in our correspondence. Again, please forgive my nature to approach this as an advisor. I do not feel as though I am your superior, I would just like to bring to the surface what it is that you really are trying to find out. In no way do I mean that you are not asking about true issues of concern, but in my experience with my students, it seems as though there are usually issues that are beneath the surface of the typical voiced question. Through discussion, it usually helps the student to re-ask the question in a manner that helps them to get the answer that is satisfactory to them. If you don’t mind, I will start off by asking you some preliminary information about particular items that I felt were not adequately elaborated on in previous posts, to help me start in a good place for you. You seem eager to have these issues addressed in a satisfactory manner, and I do not wish to waste your time.
Post 1
I would like to begin by saying that after reading many of your posts, I do not have a negative opinion about you. I am genuinely interested in helping you resolve your frustrations, if that is what you would like me to try to help you do. You really have no reason to trust me in the questions I am about to ask you, but it is my intention to address your issues after I get a better understanding of who it is I am speaking with, so as to more adequately provide you with what you request of me.
Please answer these questions in the following order. I have read much of what you have posted before, and am looking for information that I was not able to find there.
1.You have expressed that you feel “Mormonisms as being something other than the Gospel,” as compared to what has become known today a “Traditional Christianity.” Yet at times you have criticized what you term as “Christen-dumb.” I believe I understand your many criticisms of LDS overall, as well as some generalized Christian practices that have their foundation in pagan origins, but I am not sure that I understand what you believe to be the measuring stick whereas we might define true Christianity.
Do you consider any of vast Trinitarian splinter groups (Catholicism or Protestants), the modern Jewish Messianic movement, the Coptic Orthodox Church, or the Greek Orthodox Church to meet your definition of true Christianity?
If not any of these groups, can you please define what you believe true Christianity is, and what purpose God meant to accomplish through the act of Creation and through the Sacrifice of His unblemished Lamb?
Post 2
UPDATED QUESTIONS- please re-read
This "reasoning together" will push the TRUTH to the top and will let others look at the Issues and see how the TRUTH displays. I also might learn something!!!
Here are the Issues-
The Fall of Adam-was it Gods wish?
Freemasonry-secret combination?
Gnosticism-Unique Luciferian Mormon Belief
Did God lie- and really want Adam to Fall?
Did Lucifer Lie- Or was he help Adam's Exaltation?
Did God Give Confused Commands-Do-Do Not?
Polygamy-Mormon Style in New Testament Times
Things Egyptian, BOM POGP
Zion in USA
Is Freemasonry The Gospel?
Is Freemasonry a Luciferian/Gnostic Temple Cult?
What is Freemasonry?
Who sits at Freemasonry's Capital and Head?
What are Grand Lodges?
Why were the Mormon Excommunicated from MASONRY?
What are Clandestine Lodges?
Who is the Most Worshipful Master?
Why is Freemasonry of Cain and Tubal Cain?
Is Freemasonry the Luciferian Initation?
Do Luciferians swear in the name of The LORD?
Was Joseph Smith a Freemason?
Okay so there it Is lets first deal with the fall in Its aspects as reflected in mormonism.
1. Did GOD really Give two conflicting commandments, that one could not be obeyed with out breaking the OTHER- If you believe this "god" is the Author of Sin not Satan-
2. God would not be PURE and HOLY if He gave two commandments that were in conflict with each other- is God trustworthy?
3. Was it God's wish that Adam would disobey His commandments and Obey Lucifer so Adam could become Exalted? if so that is Gnostic
4 Please explain some rational explanation to This Mormon Gnostic Belief other than that Joseph Smith borrowed it from the Freemasons - and said "thus saith"-
5. Luciferians, Masons, Mormons and Satanist are Gnostic, Why did the Mormons pick the Gnostic view?
6. Why are Mormons in that Gnostic camp with Like company? Traditional Christians are not Gnostic. Do you agree or disagree about Mormon being in the Gnostic Camp?
Please take time to read the previous post and look at the links provided, that will lay out the ground work and from were I get some of my perspective.
The Fall and Nature of God is all related to the Fall-
Mormons have a "different" view on the subject of the Fall- Please advise me if you are defending the LDS point of View or your Own View in your responses- for now lets Focus on the Fall.
Thank you.
I would like to begin by saying that after reading many of your posts, I do not have a negative opinion about you. I am genuinely interested in helping you resolve your frustrations, if that is what you would like me to try to help you do. You really have no reason to trust me in the questions I am about to ask you, but it is my intention to address your issues after I get a better understanding of who it is I am speaking with, so as to more adequately provide you with what you request of me.
Please answer these questions in the following order. I have read much of what you have posted before, and am looking for information that I was not able to find there.
1.You have expressed that you feel “Mormonisms as being something other than the Gospel,” as compared to what has become known today a “Traditional Christianity.” Yet at times you have criticized what you term as “Christen-dumb.” I believe I understand your many criticisms of LDS overall, as well as some generalized Christian practices that have their foundation in pagan origins, but I am not sure that I understand what you believe to be the measuring stick whereas we might define true Christianity.
Do you consider any of vast Trinitarian splinter groups (Catholicism or Protestants), the modern Jewish Messianic movement, the Coptic Orthodox Church, or the Greek Orthodox Church to meet your definition of true Christianity?
If not any of these groups, can you please define what you believe true Christianity is, and what purpose God meant to accomplish through the act of Creation and through the Sacrifice of His unblemished Lamb?
Post 2
2.You said that you are a Mormon and have served a mission. I assume that you have born your testimony of the “Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ” many times. In doing so, were you in fact bearing witness based upon previous spiritual experiences or were you just trying to fulfill what you thought were your obligations as a missionary?
This may be a difficult or seemingly irrelevant question to answer, however, as a spiritual advisor, I will be presenting my discourses in a manner that encourages the relevance of the topic in its effectiveness in contributing to the obtaining of adhesion with the Creator by His children. If your answer confirms fulfilling duty only, I will not look upon this with any contempt. Many brave young men in many religions set out to faithfully fulfill what they believe is their duty to God without having ever had a previous spiritual experience.
3.As I am gathering information for my first discourse on the Fall, I may be asking you some more questions based upon other people’s comments on the subject in previous posts to help me better address more specifically what it is I believe you are trying to find out. I believe that you are sincere in your desires to finally settle years of frustration, so please be patient with me. My life and work consists of learning how to gain adhesion with my Maker through the wonderful Gospel of His Son, as it has been handed down through the generations of time. You have seen my previous discourses, and I think you can see that this is the underlying purpose in my work.
Since I will be basing my discussion on this foundation, I must ask you if believe that you can gain adhesion with the Creator, and if that is what you believe the purpose of Creation and the Atoning Sacrifice of Jesus Christ was for?
These questions will not be criticized by me in any way. Again, I am only gathering information so that my discourses will more appropriately address your concerns and provide you with the closure that you seek from me. My best wishes and prayers to you and yours. It is my desire that this correspondence is fruitful for the both of us. I learn so much from everyone I have the pleasure of getting to know. Thank you for honoring me with your requests. I will try to do my best for you.
Shalom
Yosef
Post 3
I would like to begin by saying that after reading many of your posts, I do not have a negative opinion about you. I am genuinely interested in helping you resolve your frustrations, if that is what you would like me to try to help you do. You really have no reason to trust me in the questions I am about to ask you, but it is my intention to address your issues after I get a better understanding of who it is I am speaking with, so as to more adequately provide you with what you request of me.
Please answer these questions in the following order. I have read much of what you have posted before, and am looking for information that I was not able to find there.
1.You have expressed that you feel “Mormonisms as being something other than the Gospel,” as compared to what has become known today a “Traditional Christianity.” Yet at times you have criticized what you term as “Christen-dumb.” I believe I understand your many criticisms of LDS overall, as well as some generalized Christian practices that have their foundation in pagan origins, but I am not sure that I understand what you believe to be the measuring stick whereas we might define true Christianity.
Do you consider any of vast Trinitarian splinter groups (Catholicism or Protestants), the modern Jewish Messianic movement, the Coptic Orthodox Church, or the Greek Orthodox Church to meet your definition of true Christianity?
If not any of these groups, can you please define what you believe true Christianity is, and what purpose God meant to accomplish through the act of Creation and through the Sacrifice of His unblemished Lamb?
Post 2
Anonymous,
After great consideration, I have decided to make an attempt at discussing your issues with you. However, I am not a debater, nor have I attended any type of western bible college whereas I would have obtained an official degree or certificate in secular theology. I view myself as the lowly student, but in some circles, I have become known as a spiritual advisor of some sorts. I am preparing some discourses for you similar in style to the ones that I have posted on “Christmas” and “Idolatry”. I do not believe that either of those was contrary to the “LDS point of view” as you state it. I will continue with your issues as I have done previously. Because my background is not typical of westerners, I can only approach this situation as I am accustomed to. If it seems awkward please excuse my faults in western customs and mannerisms. However, as a spiritual advisor, I will try to do all I can to customize my discourses to meet your personal needs. Since we have never met, I can only accommodate you based upon what I read here. You requested that the comments discussed remain focused on the issue and not yourself. Although this has been stated, it seems to me (from reading many of you previous posts) that your questions have not been adequately answered, hence you now request of me to address your topics. I have no interest in attacking you or your personal beliefs, but feel that it is necessary to have some basis to start from in our correspondence. Again, please forgive my nature to approach this as an advisor. I do not feel as though I am your superior, I would just like to bring to the surface what it is that you really are trying to find out. In no way do I mean that you are not asking about true issues of concern, but in my experience with my students, it seems as though there are usually issues that are beneath the surface of the typical voiced question. Through discussion, it usually helps the student to re-ask the question in a manner that helps them to get the answer that is satisfactory to them. If you don’t mind, I will start off by asking you some preliminary information about particular items that I felt were not adequately elaborated on in previous posts, to help me start in a good place for you. You seem eager to have these issues addressed in a satisfactory manner, and I do not wish to waste your time.
Post 1
2.You said that you are a Mormon and have served a mission. I assume that you have born your testimony of the “Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ” many times. In doing so, were you in fact bearing witness based upon previous spiritual experiences or were you just trying to fulfill what you thought were your obligations as a missionary?
This may be a difficult or seemingly irrelevant question to answer, however, as a spiritual advisor, I will be presenting my discourses in a manner that encourages the relevance of the topic in its effectiveness in contributing to the obtaining of adhesion with the Creator by His children. If your answer confirms fulfilling duty only, I will not look upon this with any contempt. Many brave young men in many religions set out to faithfully fulfill what they believe is their duty to God without having ever had a previous spiritual experience.
3.As I am gathering information for my first discourse on the Fall, I may be asking you some more questions based upon other people’s comments on the subject in previous posts to help me better address more specifically what it is I believe you are trying to find out. I believe that you are sincere in your desires to finally settle years of frustration, so please be patient with me. My life and work consists of learning how to gain adhesion with my Maker through the wonderful Gospel of His Son, as it has been handed down through the generations of time. You have seen my previous discourses, and I think you can see that this is the underlying purpose in my work.
Since I will be basing my discussion on this foundation, I must ask you if believe that you can gain adhesion with the Creator, and if that is what you believe the purpose of Creation and the Atoning Sacrifice of Jesus Christ was for?
These questions will not be criticized by me in any way. Again, I am only gathering information so that my discourses will more appropriately address your concerns and provide you with the closure that you seek from me. My best wishes and prayers to you and yours. It is my desire that this correspondence is fruitful for the both of us. I learn so much from everyone I have the pleasure of getting to know. Thank you for honoring me with your requests. I will try to do my best for you.
Shalom
Yosef
Post 3
Josef, thank you for the response-
ChristianDumb? a word play on dumb the things that christians dumbly do- Christians should and are under obligation to be a pure light unto the world- so when Christians worship Lucifer in the Name of Jesus Christ buy Exchanging the Pagan gods name with Jesus Christ as in Christ-Mass-Ishtar-East-Star
that is Dumb- Most other Religions know that, This Exchanging is Pagan worship- That Exchange could be a hinderance to Others joining the Fold. Especially Jews, Israelis and Muslims- Because they do not Worship Idols, or in Pagan fashion or should not.
Religion? I pushed the reset button!!!
I am very well versed in all LDS scriptures- More so the Bible than any other- a good 25-30 years into Freemasonry, esoteric, Mysticism, all in relation to Joseph Smith and early Mormon History- I took an Honest Look to Prove Mormonism but I did not like what I seen.
I strongly oppose Freemasonry as The Luciferian Initiation and THEE Secret Combination spoken of in the BOM-POGP- Masonry has over 144 Degrees
Mormonism only has the First 3 1/2 to 7 degrees
The 7th or 3 1/2 degree is Having your calling and Election made Sure , The Rite of Exaltation, The Royal Arch Degree
http://www.evangelicaltruth.com/RoyalArch.htm
I regretfully received that (3rd Degree) initiation? In the Mormon Temple pre 1990.
Even though I do not Believe the D&C, BOM or POGP to be Scripture, I do believe that Many Truths squeezed their way into Mormonism in a story fashion- Mormonism is Conflicted Because of the Roots/Forces not seen below the surface and behind the scenes. And I will quoted from LDS scriptures to make a point even if it conflicts with other LDS sources.
I am at odds with the Mormon version of the Fall and things Freemasonic in Mormonism, Gnosticism.
I was a Mormon Missionary- But I am and always will be In pursuit of the TRUTH I try not let myself, country, family, or traditions get in the way of TRUTH. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
I will not sacrifice the TRUTH between robbers or Liars-
I am still Christian - Not Mormon - and I do not buy into any religion at this Point.
DAVID I THINK YOU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR PASSWORD I THINK YOUR SITE IS HACKED!!!
Yosef- I do not Know what happens to your post I see them and then your post disappear- please be patient
It will give you time to prepare,refine and research-
Some of my Post disappear as well- strange!!!!
I recommend you Type your comments into another file and then copy and paste them into Mormon Mysticism that way the will not go to NEVERLAND, I look forward to your responses.
Yosef Because of technical issues Let us move our conversation into a less crowed post that may be more to the Subject.
MONDAY, OCTOBER 25, 2010
The Fall of Adam and Eve
in MormonMysticism
I compare Truth to water and washing- and sometimes to Light,
I could say somethings are True- I never Believed everything-Temple, Fall, Freemasonry, and I do not make a always Right or Wrong equation, Sometimes things are just Part of the Story but that does not always mean they are Right or Wrong, Good or Bad.
Mormonsism is Two to Three Layers Deep on the Surface- Temple and Non Temple- I just think I liked the Non Temple Part Better- I Guess I could be a Good Baptist.
Some Parts, Light, and Visions of Mormonism ring True, others do not.
That "light' was never perfect for me I bore "testimony" to that which I thought I knew and Felt was True, I alway Know That I never had obtained a More Sure Word.
I also know that I am Human and subect to My humanity and Traditions,and Like to Talk, Know the Truth can come all at once Like "PAUL" or here a little and there a little, If I Open my mouth more that I should Have, that would not set a precident to repeat the Same error.
I like to Repent as best I can,
But very far away from "Mingling with gods or Crowned"
My Testimony of the Truth Grew it Just Grew away from Mormonism.
Yosef- sorry for all those glitches
I patiently await your response-
I am in no Rush- In fact I am excited to see what you have to say- I always like a unique perspective and back ground.
I like other cultures and approaches to the Truth I Once went to a Hindu "?church?"
and gained a unique perspective The Hindus wash with Water and Fire while singing Songs to Their gods, It was different but it was a Washing with WATER and FIRE
David,
Thanks for all of your help. I wanted to wait until I was done with your book before I commented on it. Probably this weekend sometime.
Shalom
Yosef
Merry XXXXXX-mass Saints In the real spirit and this special Time of the year, in the true way to worship.
This year's winter solstice — an event that will occur next Tuesday — will coincide with a full lunar eclipse in a union that hasn't been seen in 456 years.
OTTAWA — This year's winter solstice — an event that will occur next Tuesday — will coincide with a full lunar eclipse in a union that hasn't been seen in 456 years.The celestial eccentricity holds special significance for spiritualities that tap into the energy of the winter solstice, the shortest day of the year and a time that is associated with the rebirth of the sun. "It's a ritual of transformation from darkness into light," says Nicole Cooper, a high priestess at Toronto's Wiccan Church of Canada. "It's the idea that when things seem really bleak, (it) is often our biggest opportunity for personal transformation.
"The idea that the sun and the moon are almost at their darkest at this point in time really only further goes to hammer that home."
Cooper said Wiccans also see great significance in the unique coupling of the masculine energy of the sun and the feminine energy of the moon-(orgy?) transformative energies that she plans to incorporate into the church's winter-solstice rituals.
Since the last time an eclipse and the winter solstice happened simultaneously was just under five centuries years ago, Cooper said she wasn't familiar with any superstitions or mythologies associated with it. Instead, she said, they can only be interpreted personally.??
"Wiccans don't think of things as being good or evil — they just are. Our experience of them makes them positive or negative for us."
The winter solstice also played an important role in Greco-Roman rituals.
"It's seen as a time of rebirth or renewal because, astrologically, it's a time where the light comes back," said Shane Hawkins, a professor of Greek and Roman studies at Carleton University in Ottawa.
For the ancient Romans, it was also a time of great feasting and debauchery.
"If (the eclipse) happened on the 21st, they might well have been drunk," he said.
A lunar eclipse taking place during the solstice is not an event Hawkins has seen in research, but he said it would have been viewed as something special.
"Eclipses could be taken either way," he said. "Certainly it would have been an omen, but it would have been up to the interpretation of specialists of whether it was good or bad."
And that interpretation would likely be based on whatever was happening at the time.
I am sure that all the spirits of "truth" and proper
"worship" will be with you-
"By Your Traditions you Make void the Word of God"
Just Like the Fall I am Sure Mormons can find something in The Season and Solstice to Help us with our Exaltation- And when, if, and until the Brethren say XXXXXX-mass is Wrong there will be endless Justification for Practicing This Idolatry,
with fanaticism for "tradition" but lacking Truth.
I Think That Because something is recorded in The Bible ( scriptures ) we should not Make a Jump to conclude That it Is Right or Holy unless God says So- There are Various actions that are recorded, but Not sanctioned by God as Being Holy or Right- just because a story is Being Told does not Make all aspects Recorded right - we should weigh and test Things to know if things are Right or Wrong- Assuming can be dangerous-
and some things will Just be part of the Story-
Some have meaning some do not- and sometimes we just do not know Yet- God has blessed us with the WWW and we can with the push of a few Buttons research any Words or phrases, Together or separately we can see and search the Roots.
David, I am going to Be silent for a while and let everyone gather Stones- I Did enjoy Your Book and Shall read it a little more in depth- Here is some Meat
http://books.google.com/books?id=DTPJpanTizwC&lpg=PA266&ots=xIwcHIq7Nc&dq=phoenixmasonry.org%20mormons&pg=PA267#v=onepage&q=phoenixmasonry.org%20mormons&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=L3TqI4ZNuLQC&pg=PA463&dq=phoenixmasonry.org+mormons&hl=en&ei=D_8NTbypN5HAsAOYsrXRCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=phoenixmasonry.org%20mormons&f=false
www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/tableofcontents.htm
Some Very Interesting Stuff
www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum
/tableofcontents.htm
Anonymous
In answer to your question of what philosophy in regard the fall I fit into, my answer is, "the truth."
You are looking at us all having some philosophy of our own. I look to the Spirit for guidance.
The fall is simple. Not this philosophy or that philosophy.
Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother produced 2 children, Adam and Eve. They were born as physically perfect people. But as individuals they had to raised to an age where they became capable of discerning truth from error (the age of accountability).
Having reached this age they chose to think a wrong thing and hold onto the idea. This brought them in conflict with the natural eternal laws. Having done so they brought about a change in their physical body's that we term "the fall."
We all go through this to some degree (though our bodies are already fallen) sometime when 7 years old and need repentance and baptism by our 8th birthday. This situation wasn't created by God. It is an eternal situation. No one is guilty of starting it, and it wasn't Satan's creation either.
Seasoning- I could not Resist
Rev 1:6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and (his) Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Jst Rev 1:6 And unto him who loved us, be glory; who washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto God, (his) Father. To him be glory and dominion, forever and ever. Amen. (Gods ABOVE The Father?)
(as printed in History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 473-479. See also Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith 369-376)
President Joseph Smith read the 3rd chapter of Revelation, and took for his text 1st chapter, 6th verse-”And hath made us kings and priests unto God and (His) Father: to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.”
It is altogether correct in the translation. Now, you know that of late some malicious and corrupt men have sprung up and apostatized from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and they declare that the Prophet believes in a plurality of Gods, and, lo and behold! we have discovered a very great secret, they cry-”The Prophet says there are many Gods, and this proves that he has fallen.”
Plurality of Gods
I will preach on the plurality of Gods. I have selected this text (REV 1:6) for that express purpose. I wish to declare I have always and in all congregations when I have preach on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods. It has been preached by the Elders for fifteen years.
Our text says, “And hath made us kings and priests unto God and (His) Father.” The Apostles have discovered that there were Gods (above), for John says God was the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. My object was to preach the scriptures, and preach the doctrine they contain, there being a (God) above, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. (REV 1:6) I am bold to declare I have taught all the strongest doctrines publicly, and always teach stronger doctrines in public than in private.
John was one of the men, and apostles declare they were made kings and priests unto God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. It reads just so in the Revelation, Hence the doctrine of a plurality of Gods is as prominent in the Bible as any other doctrine. It is all over the face of the Bible. It stands beyond the power of controversy. A wayfaring man, though a fool, need not err therein.
He makes himself a fool if he thinks or says so, and there is an end of his career or progress in knowledge. He cannot obtain all knowledge, for he has sealed up the gate to it.
I want to show a little learning as well as other fools.
I defy all the world to refute me.
He would be a wonderfully big God-he would be a giant or a monster.
I learned it by translating the papyrus which is now in my house.
I want to stick to my text, to show that when men open their lips against these truths they do not injure me, but injure themselves.
I testify again, as the Lord lives, God never will acknowledge any traitors or apostates.
Hear and judge for yourselves; and if you go away satisfied, well and good. Rev 1:6 Jst Rev 1:6
It is altogether correct in the translation??????????
The Apostles have discovered that there were Gods above??????????
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First, compare what he says to Scripture and if what the Prophet teaches contradict Scripture, then he is false. "But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he shall speak in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 "And you may say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’ 22 "When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him," (Deut. 18:20-22).
1st John4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
12No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
13Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
14And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
16And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.world.
Alma 34:36 in the hearts of the righteous doth he dwell; yea, and he has also said that the righteous shall sit down in his kingdom, to go no more out; but their garments should be made white through the blood of the Lamb.
D&C130:3 (John 14:23)—The appearing of the Father and the Son, in that verse, is a personal appearance; and the idea that the Father and the Son dwell in a man’s heart is an old sectarian notion, and is false.
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the aFather; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11Believe me that I am ain the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
2nd Cor11:3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
The weak Link Mormonism? How about This If you could Just see That Freemasonry is The TRUE RELIGION of LUCIFER- what difference would it Make????
IF almost ALL of the LeaderShip/Priesthood of the early church received the Luciferian Initiation would you then have the Knowledge of Good and Evil and would you Be able to See?????
A significant numbers of leaders in the early Mormon church were Masons prior to their involvement in the Latter-day Saint movement. Notable examples include Brigham Young, Heber C. Kimball, John C. Bennett, Hyrum Smith and Joseph Smith, Sr.[The Joseph Smith family] was a Masonic family which lived by and practiced the estimable and admirable tenets of Freemasonry. The father, Joseph Smith, Sr., was a documented member in upstate New York. He was raised to the degree of Master Mason on May 7, 1818 in Ontario Lodge No. 23 of Canandaigua, New York. An older son, Hyrum Smith, was a member of Mount Moriah Lodge No. 112, Palmyra New York. FreeMasonry Pre-dated the Mormon Temple in Joseph Smiths Family and Life.
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Not by Chance -----SMITH=CAIN=Smith=Cain
The first Masonic reference to Tubal Cain is found in the Legend of the Craft, where he is called the Founder of Smith-Craft, an explanation agreeing closely with modern biblical scholarship which designates him as the “Founder of the Gild of Smiths or Metal Workers.”
http://encyclopediaoffreemasonry.com/t/tubal-cain/
1. there is no mystery about who built the Great Pyramid or what the methods of construction were, and the Sphinx shows no signs of water damage;
2. there were no humans in the Americas before 20,000 BC;
3. the first civilization dates back no further than 6000 BC;
4. there are no documented anomalous, unexplained or enigmatic data to take into account;
5. there are no lost or unaccounted-for civilizations.
Let the evidence to the contrary be damned!
http://antinewworldorder.blogspot.com/2009_12_01_archive.html
PLEASE JUST DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH ABOUT
TUBAL-CAIN
Yosef, I just want to say that your posts truly have made me sit back and think upon my own spiritual beliefs. I am a self-admitted agnostic; I have tried religion, only to find that nothing seems to fill the void in my chest. Perhaps it is because I simply do not truly believe as I should, but reading your posts made me think on a time when I would search for such.
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