Monday, September 17, 2007

Why I Apostatized

I am creating this post as a lighting rod. There is no longer any reason to spread unrelated anti-Mormon propaganda throughout this blog, you can put it all right here. This will allow those who wish to read the comments of a posting to not have to read through un-related comments.

I will be moving some prior comments from other postings into this section. Now, least anyone think this is free reign, it’s not. If I deem anything over the top, I will delete it.

Here is your chance to tell the world why you apostatized, why you hate the church, and fight against it.



David Littlefield said...


Not much on this earth can be agreed upon even if it were written on stone by the finger of God.What Proceeds is open to debate.

Mormons stand apart from christanity
In that they Paise the Day of the Fall of Man.How ever they do not Stand alone on this View.Mormons share this View in the Company of OPHITES,Merkava, Gnostics, Mystics, Wiccans. Luciferians, Masons,and Satanist.
Lucifer was the Bringer of Light,Promised Eve the Gnosis (Mystic knowlege}The Luciferians beleive that the "evil god" Jehova/EL
wanted man to live in live in darkness in-no-sense,and ignoance. and had forbidden man to partake of the Gnosis, lucifer would bring light and wisdom so Man could become as wise as serpents.Lucifer is a serpent and He wanted everone wise like a serpent,by partaking of the Gnosis Man was enlightened and was on the path to Becomming a God and a Serpent.
The "traditional"Mormon View
is as Follows ;
and Eve wre Glad in the fact that they Had followed Lucifer's advise and Had disobey God(was God the Villian and Lucifer the Hero?)It gets Better.Mormon View
God had placed Adam and Eve in the Garden with a Frustrated and contradictory set of commandments.

Multiply and replenish the Earth.

Do not partake of the tree of Knowlege.
Mormons Beleive that Adam and Eve would have to break the first commandment to fulfill the second one.

And that is Exactly what happened as requested by Lucifer.
Adam said "blessed be the Name of of God,because of my transgression my Eyes are opened"

Eve said"were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed and never should have known good and Evil

with this point of view Held by Mormons
God was the author of confusion.
God gave Adam Frustrated and contratictrory commandments.
God was the author of Sin Not Lucifer.

The next epic leap in Gnosis and Mystries is the Tower Of Babel in Babylon.

Nimrod commisioned the Masons(the Followers of Cain the Master Mahan
the workers in Iron) to build a Tower to heaven. Thinking that with their Gnosis and the work of their hands they Climb the Ladder to heaven.

David Littlefield said...


Here is a Fun Kwinky Dink and a topic to be Taken up Later. The name Cain translates Directly into Smith. Workers of Iron.And Tubal Cain How Interesting.More on the Name and the Iron Workers.

David Littlefield said...


Above the Fact that Joseph Smith and the First Six "Presidents"
(Corperations Have Presidents)
Prophets,Seers,Revelators and Special Witnesses of Christ, Were Freemasons,Who as all those who Become Mason must do and Make the declaration of " of being a poor blind begger looking to move from Darkness into the light of Freemasonery".
The Dark part above the preceeding is that these Apostles of The Mormon Church also swear and did Bind theselves to the Upper level Lodges and Masons. An interesting portion of the Masonic Temple initation (endowment) is the Cable Tow, The initate Be half Naked and Blind folded, Has a flaxen cord placed around His neck (Sounds like a nice thing to do on Aplostles night Out) and has the point of a compass placed upon his breast and is Cable Towed (Pulled by Flaxen Cord) into the Lodge.The Initates then Bows before an Alter and again makes a plea to Freemasonary and Proceed to learn the secret signs and Takes the Blood Oaths and Death Penalties and Becomes a Brother to all mason Binding themselves and being Bond by Lucifer's flaxen Cords.Not lets all Hold Hands and Pray.

David Littlefield said...


and there were secret combinations even as in times of old,according
to the combinations of the Devil (Lucifer),for He is the founder of ALL these things.Yea, the founder of Murder,yea and the works of darkness and he leadeth them by the neck with a Flaxen Cord (Cable Tow).until he bindeth the with his strong cords forever.
Salt Lake city Her I Come!!!!!

David Littlefield said...


The "True" Mysticism is the Hidding of the Truth.The re-telling of old stories, Like the Christmass/Egyptian/Babylon Story of Dec 25th and the Sun of God and re-wriitting of History and Changing the Truth and view, vision, prespective, and perception of the Truth.

Lets View "True" Mormon Mysticism and Joseph Smith's Relationship to the Masons( the Mystery School)

Stating the Facts even if at odds with other facts are Facts.

Viewing and Observing facts is open to Any interpation and conclusion.

Joseph Smith Became a Free and Accepted Mason{F&AM) Masons Refer to God as the T.G.A.O.U. The Grand Architect Of The Universe.

If One Studies the First three levels of Freemasonary (Blue Lodge)

It is evident that the Masons trace thier roots as Being the Builders of the Tower Of Babel( whenst comest thou?From Babylon.) and Back to Cain and Tubal Cain(instructor of every artificer in brass and Iron) In side the Masonic Temples one will See the Fixed art of the Ouija Boards,The Checker board floor. Tarot Cards,Trestle Boards, The Square,The Compass,and the 24" Level, These are the Tools of the Builders of the Tower and of the Master Mason. Joseph Smith Was a Master Mason. Joseph Smith drug Masonary into the Church From the Very Beginning Both Pro and Con. And after Drug the Church thru Freemasonary.The First Six presidents of the Mormon Church were Master Masons.
One may wonder which God or Architect Gave Plans for the Tower

Joseph Smiths Last utterance Was a Masonic Distress Signal," Oh Lord My God" and no Joseph was not viewing God in Heaven just Before his Death, And it also proves that Masons were in the "Mob" that Killed Joseph. In the End The Masons were very upset with Joseph and the Mormons for Revealling and Adopting Masonary and Making their Own Temples. Joseph Smiths actions would seem to be at odds with his "own" Scripture. Mormon scripture has evidence as to Who the Masons are
3Nephi 6:28 Moses 5:29-31 51 Helaman6:22-28
The Lord gave clear Commmandments not to Join the Secret Combinations Ether 8:18-19 22,24,as for swearing Blood oaths and the Death penalties affixed 3Nephi 12:34,36,Moses 5:29 some may have a Hard heart Helaman6:2 Joseph Smith incorperated the Mason Temple secrets, oaths, and affixed penalties into the Mormon Temple.
To lay a more sure Foundation it is said of Joseph Smith that He held the keys of all Dispensations, The keys of the Higher and Lower Preisthoods,the power to bind on earth and in heaven,That he was Prophet, Seer and Revelator, and Special witness of the Son and above and beyond it all and above it all A Special Witness of the Father(the Highest Title on Earth)
Joseph Smith prostrates him self at the Cains WRITTEN BY ANONYMOUS AND MOVED INTO THIS SECTION:

Temple(Masonic) and on bent right knee Declares himself" as one being in Darkness I seek the light of Masonary" and the God(Lucifer) of the Masons Received him well.The Masonic Mysticism tie Is the Blood tie to Isis The Mother Queen and Virgin.The Wife of Osriris and the Widow Of Osiris, and on the Point of the Compass all masons are Brothers and Sons of the Widow. The Masonic distress signal is
"Oh Lord My God their is no Hope for the Widow's Son". Joseph Smiths Last Words and Maybe Testiment to Truth.

Anonymous said...

Come YE out of Babylon.
MYSTERY,BABYLON THE GREAT,THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS,AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. to be Holy on should seperate your self from all of the Words, Actions,Deeds, and Customs of the Babylon Babylon/Egypt/Greece/Roman/Pagan all Barrowed from each other in the Mysteries,The Mysteries all Tie Back to Isis the Mother Queen Virgin and Widow ,Jesus said "By Your Traditions you make Void the Word of God" The Catholic church is the Whore of all the Earth and the Mother of Harlots,The Catholic chruch Embraced and Addopted every aspect of All the Mystery and Pagan Beliefs,Those who Celebrate the Birth of Horus the Sun/Son God and all The Host of Hell and Other "Christian" and Pagan Holidays could hardly call themselves Holy even if the Can enter a Building of Stone, write a Journal of Discourses, Yea are the Temple Of God and the Lord Would write the Law on the fleshly Table of Your Heart, If a man defile his heart Partaking of the Traditions of the Whore/Babylon/Egypt/Roman he is still in that world and of that World.It could be "FUN" to party like a Pagan and then Try to be Holy Holiness Grows out of a Liking to Be like God out of Love and Grace. And not out of some want or desire to Climb some Work(Tower) of Your own Hands and thru the The Gnosis ,Paul and the other Apostles had to contend with Luciferian and Gnostic beleifs and that is why the made the Point "That by Grace are yea Saved(Exalted)thru Faith and not of works""and if by Grace then it is no more of Works other wise Grace is no more Grace" "and of His fullnes have all we received, and Grace for Grace" Time for all the Mystics to Quit building Cains Tower and "Flee out of Babylon" and
"for I am the LORD that hath Brought you Out of Egypt,to Be your God:you shall therefore Be Holy,for I am Holy" some were left Behind in Egypt

Anonymous said...

Masons are the Tower Builders and the followers of Cain and his Craft,In order to understand Masonary and the Builders.One should know what the encyclopedias say of Lucifer and Cain.
The revelance is to have a fuller perspective of Joseph Smith who became a Master Mason in Blue Lodge Freemasonary. And also being the Prophet,Seer and Revelator, and Witness to the Father and Son and Restorer of the Key of the Preisthoods power and Sealing Keys ,of all dispensation to bring to forth the great winding down seen.

Masonary is a Reflection and embodiment of Cain and Lucifer.

First Lucifer
His human element is wisdom, knowlege,man can attain the Lucifer state thru applied gnosis knowlege and wisdom
Light Bearer.Bright One.Venus. His number is Nine 9. and his element is Air. direction is East.Morning star.Lucifer is called the false light; because in the Morning Venus rising gives a false impression of the sun rise,Lucifers color is Blue.Lucifer is a Title name of False light and barrowed from Astronomy a title name given to Satan.
note the First three levels of Freemasonary is Refered to as
Blue Lodge

Anonymous said...

Cain and Lucifer share the Title of Being a
"Murderer from the Beginning"
Some may find it strange and hard to beleive that Christmas is the Roman Saturnalia, to better under stand that Cain is the God/Planet Saturn and that Christmas is Saturnalia and that Cain is Santa Clause One should Look up the History and Story of "Saturnalia"
Cain was a Tiller of the Soil and His History and Story has Adapted itself into Many names and Cultures
Cains Planet;Saturn planet symbol a sickle as used by reapers
Names:Saturn,Cronos,Saturday,god of the harvest,the reaper,
Titles; The Green Giant,the god of fertility and agriculture.Son of the Sun;
Holiday; Saturnalia or Modern day Christ-mass
How celebrated;the exchange of gifts, carnival and parades,feasting,no school or work
Modern day Santa Clause.

Anonymous said...

Lies lies and More lies.
It is in darkness that one says Masonary is not a Religion. Suggested link ( is the Universal Church of Lucifer and Joseph Smith Lived and Died a Mason.
If freemasonary is not a religion what is it? Freemasonary mentions the Father as Does Lucifer but pretends to be the Way the Truth and the Light. Lies, Lies ,Lies,
There are two Bodies of Mormonism the Openside and the Darkside.
With out going to the Temple
for the Most part Mormon churches are like Baptist,Methodist, and Presbiterians,
Mormonmysticism and Masonary and the Bloody Penalties all in the Name of Signs,Tokens so you can receive the Hidden Secerets so you can Go to High Heaven.
The TRUTH does not change, Joseph Smith Became a Mason just before he Died,Joseph Smiths Father Became a Master Mason on May 17, 1818 and Hyrum(masonic name)Smith , Joseph's Brother was a Mason, also Brigham Young was a Master Mason before he was a Mormon.
The first 6 Prophets of the church were Master Masons and all swore the Bloody oaths and Penaltities of freemasonary, Binding themselves under oath yto be Subjects of the Grand Lodges and upper level Masons. But that did not matter too much any way, becase they opened all the Secrets of freemasonary to the Mormon church.
To share the Understanding of Temple Mormonism,Joseph Smith and Mormon Mysticism one must understand freemasonary.
things you will never see in a Mormon or Mason Temples;"Christian cross" Blacks(1980 Changed)
Things you Will see Squares and Compass and Obelisk ,the all Seeing Eye of Osiris and Aprons,
with out detail Mormons wear a Green apron(no secret)
Cain who is the incarnate Lucifer is the god of vegatation and is also known as the Green Giant(like the Green Giant Brand)
This is not a stretch search
"lucifer giant cain"
the Truth goes back to the Very beginnning there are not Mysteries or Secerets. the Secerets and Mysteries are Hidden in the Darkness of lies and Cover ups

Anonymous said...

Here is a strange side note with no implication other than strange.
the Equinoxes are the times that the seasons change and the sun crosses the equator and that time is when access and communications with heavenly creatures is best,(magus&Enochian magick)the Equinoxes cross in three days,For instance lets Take the winter solstice Dec 23rd the SON/SUN dies(shortest day) and is 3 days in the belly of the earth and on the 3rd day comes back to Life(the Days become Longer),Dec 25th
Merry Christ-mass.
The days Become longer all the way upto St Johns Day June 24th
(longest Horus/Hours of the Day)
(St John in the Patron Saint of the Gnostic/Mason)(June 24th the day UTAH becomes a state) now for Joseph Smith and his Connnection to the Equnioxes.Joseph Smith Born Dec23rd three Days Before HORUS/HOURS rising(Christmas)
Joseph Smith Dies June 27th, 3 Days after June 24th (St Johns Day) on June 27th Joseph Smith dies and the The HOURS/HORUS become shorter.
Joseph Smith was visited by the Angel on Sept 21st(equinox)and on March 21st the Higher Preisthood was Restored to the relationship to the Equinoxes Witches, Masons and Enochian Magickians pay special Attention to the Days of DEC 23. March 21st .June 24.and Sept 21st.
So who is St John ?
John the Baptist.
The Gnostic and Mysticis beleived that ST John had the "REAL TRUTH" and that Jesus Christ was an Imposter and (Roman Recreation of the Zues- Mithra)
Masonary/Gnosticism /Mysticism is Aware of Gnotion of Cnostic Doctrine held By the Gnostic/ Mason/Mystic St John and His Gnosis(Luciferian Doctrine)
Perhaps an Interesting Discussion would be How are Christians,Mormons ,Gnostics and Mystics Different and the Same.

Anonymous said...

Not to Lead one to Know the Devil and His Craft I Offer this Link
or you can research Mormon mason link thru
To have a proper understanding of the early Fathers in the Mormon church it is Imperative that one understand what the Mystery of Masonary is and was.
as one understands what the Masons are and were one can better see ask and know what is Masonary and what is Mormonism

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Anonymous said...

Correction to the Above Mormons claim that Bringham Young Entered the Salt Lake Valley on St John's Day June 24th(Utah became a state on a other Day)
Also St George also plays a very important Role in the Mysteries
Look up "St john gnostic" and
"St George"
Mason say the are St John Lodge but are very adept to Dodge Jesus
do the search and the Truth can even set a Freemason FREE

David Littlefield said...

I am moving this into this section. ANON wrote this in another section but it seem more at home here.

I think the real challenge in Life is what is the Truth.And the Truth about GOD and how we worship,know,understand,seek,see, experience,and relate to GOD.
Walking in to a House of Stone be it a pyramid. Masonic Temple.Mormon Temple. All of Religion and Religions Have sacraficed their Truth and their God in the Name of enlarging the Fold and Bringing in more Sheep.
Not that I have a Direct Channel to the Truth and stand as a Critic .

Surely the Truth has been drug,stoned and beaten by the Jews,Catholics, Masons, Christians.
The Religions of the World have adopted each others notions and celebrations of their Gods and nature Worship in Deed and Dates
and in Word and Worship.
Every Pagan notion,
canotation ,atribute, nature, way of worship , understanding,has been presented,embraced,and adapted as the "truth"
if we do not forever question what is the "truth" some one will right away make wicked tradition into the truth.
So Polluted are the notions of who is God that That we Talk of the Pollution of the Truth and have Lost the Truth.
No sooner that when a Man starts a Religion that infighting further seperates the Truth and the newness of any Religion.
Tossed to and fro by the Winds of the Devils and Doctrines of Men.
There is no Unity of the Faith. and the Body of the Truth is not one. and the house is devided against it self.
Stones and Stories, Bricks and Bones, This old book or that old book. Or this new Book or that new Book.
And most Lost is the Gift of the Holy Ghost. If the Holy Ghost were to decend into a church the Spirit will either be denied or cast out.Some speak of Gifts of the Spirit but are like Dead Mans Bones. Like Stoic Rocks in the Desert are the Souls of men. Confined as the Scribes to the "He said, She said" Drama. i think it would be fun Just once to have a Full Sunday Pentecostial Experience."but this meeting is almost over and we must be on schedule for the next class"
I would like to see like in the Bible and BOM someone get slain in the spirit and converse with God and Jesus and Receive a Conversion as a Gift of the Holy Ghost.
I sure such a One would be carted of in an Ambulanced and revived with some Drugs.
Seeking Gifts of the Holy Ghost are Traditionly Banned and are not sought for or Openly expressed. as some of us would resist the Spirit, become very uncomfortable. would it not be fun to be sitting in church and have some one giving a talk on the Holy Ghost and then have everyone slain in the spirit for about Three hours. Not allowed we must go to our other meetings.
some how I think the Holy Ghost is just a Thing we talk about.
And all of this chatter of Bricks,Stones,Mysteries,and accension theology and Temples is Just Talk. as we are to be the Temples of God, that is the real Mystery. And in the twinkling of an Eye the Holy Ghost can make us Holy and we can pass by all the Angels and Sentinals and be filled with God's Spirit and Accend above all thru the Gifts of the spirit.and true Holy Ghost experiences can teach us all Show us all things needful to know
In storms of the Past did the Truth Blow by. as it is uncommon, but not lacking in need.
NOT often enough do we hear
and there is more so now the need.
God has more to say on every subject For sure.
I think Religion has so tightly Packaged God that he cannot easily be unwrapped on a Holy Day.
Are souls either are not prepared to hear or are not hearing his word.
and all the leaders have become mute Angels who should speak, but cannot not or will not.
Perhaps we are standing in condemnation as a People and until we strip off all of our pollutions that we have put Upon the Truth and God shall we never know or See God

Anonymous said...

How the Holy Ghost was Denied/Lost
How learning Mysticism/Masonry, replaced seeking the Holy Ghost.
Notice the Above by ANON and the following scriptures I think they Kicked the Holy Ghost out of Church,maybe too Busy ascending
towers to heaven and the work and pride of their hearts and Minds!!!
2 Nephi 31:13-14 then cometh the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost; and then can ye speak with the tongue of angels, and shout praises unto the Holy One of Israel.
...and have received the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost, and can speak with a new tongue, yea, even with the tongue of angels, and after this should deny me, it would have been better for you that ye had not known me.
3 Ne. 19: 9
9 And they did pray for that which they most desired; and they desired that the Holy Ghost should be given unto them.
1st Nephi 10: 19 For he that diligently seeketh shall find; and the Mysteries of God shall be unfolded unto them, by the power of the Holy Ghost
2 Ne. 32: 2-3, 5
2 Do ye not remember that I said unto you that after ye had received the Holy Ghost ye could speak with the tongue of angels? And now, how could ye speak with the tongue of angels save it were by the Holy Ghost?
3 Angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do.
Acts 2: 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
2 Ne. 28: 4, 26, 31
4 And they shall contend one with another; and their priests shall contend one with another, and they shall teach with their learning
(mysticism/gnosticsm), and deny the Holy Ghost, which giveth utterance
26 Yea, wo be unto him that hearkeneth unto the precepts of men, and denieth the power of God, and the gift of the Holy Ghost!
Acts 19: 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 7: 51,
51 ¶ Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye
John 14: 26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things,
Alma 9: 21
21 Having been visited by the Spirit of God; having conversed with angels, and having been spoken unto by the voice of the Lord; and having the spirit of prophecy, and the spirit of revelation, and also many gifts, the gift of speaking with tongues, and the gift of preaching, and the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the gift of translation;
3 Ne. 29: 6
6 Yea, wo unto him that shall deny the revelations of the Lord, and that shall say the Lord no longer worketh by revelation, or by prophecy, or by gifts, or by tongues, or by healings, or by the power of the Holy Ghost!
Morm. 1: 14
14 And there were no gifts from the Lord, and the Holy Ghost did not come upon any, because of their wickedness and unbelief.
7 We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
Could you perhaps create a post
where on the"HOLY GHOST" and people could share Ideas and Experience that are recent.
Regaurding the Holy Ghost it seems like " between two percent and five percent of our people were involved in it. It was a very limited practice; carefully safeguarded. In 1890, that practice was is behind us"
(quoted out of context but relavent)

Anonymous said...

Mosiah 8: 13, 15-17
15 And the king said that a
SEER is greater than a prophet.
17 But a seer can know of things which are past, and also of things which are to come, and by them shall all things be revealed, or, rather, shall secret things be made manifest, and hidden things shall come to light, and things which are not known shall be made known by them, and also things shall be made known by them which otherwise could not be known.
D&C 21: 1
1 Behold, there shall be a record kept among you; and in it thou shalt be called SEER, a translator, a prophet, an apostle of Jesus Christ, an elder of the church through the will of God the Father, and the grace of your Lord Jesus Christ, #
JS-H 1: 35
35 Also, that there were two stones in silver bows—and these stones, fastened to a breastplate, constituted what is called the Urim and Thummim—deposited with the plates; and the possession and use of these stones were what constituted “seers” in ancient or former times; and that God had prepared them for the purpose of translating the book.

The "New Seer" was a LDS creation and was Enochian Magick re-worked by Masons it is interesting that Master Masons Have a lot in common with each other in the Fact that they Make "New"(words of god)
"proven that The Watchtower Society has been involved in Enochian magick since its founding by Charles Taze Russell"
to being a Freemason." I am very glad to have this particular opportunity of saying a word about some of the things in which we agree with our Masonic friends, because we are speaking in a building dedicated to Masonry, and we also are Masons. I am a Freemason." Charles Taze Russell. (The Temple of God-Pastor Russell page 120)

"The resemblance between Smith's scrying activities and those of the famed sorcerer, John Dee are cited.(p.37) Dee, court astrologer to Elizabeth I, built much of the foundation upon which modern Satanism rests, the so-called "Enochian System" of Keys or Calls.

Like Dee, Smith used a seer stone to translate an unknown language letter by letter and get information about ancient cultures. Smith did his own scrying, while Dee had a seer look in the stone for him.

Today, these Calls which Dee brought through, are part of the darkest pits of black magic. They make up about one-third of the SATANIC BIBLE, and are used by Satanists and followers of the black magician, Aleister Crowley. 1

Whether Smith knew of Dee is unknown, but he seemed obsessed with "Enoch," the name of the demon who taught Dee the Calls. Smith got a lot of mileage out of Enoch, and used the name as his nom du plume in Doctrine and Covenants.

He consciously or unconsciously carried out the role of Enoch from the Masonic legends of the 13th, 14th and 21st degree of the Scottish rite.2 One would think that such a resemblance between an entire system of black magic and the Book of Mormon's emergence would make devout Mormons uneasy!"
And for some is Does
A picture paints a thousand words

Anonymous said...

It is great to have a placed prepared for me(Outer Darkness)
from this vantage point all things seem bright and like Light.
From here I can see all things
far away.
"If Joseph Smith had significant interactions with the Hermetic-Kabbalistic mythos, did they impact his religion-making vision? While it seems to me that they probably would or did, I also acknowledge another possibility: Despite any apparent historical interactions, common patterns connecting Smith's vision to the Hermetic-Kabbalistic mythos may be entirely synchronous (or parallel)
(freemasonry,wicca,gnostic,Enochian magick,things Egyptian) rather than causal.

Pick a day

Anonymous said...

"Why I Apostatized"?
Because I Like California better than Utah
This spirit will in the end lead a man to destruction; and all that will preserve the Saints in the last days from the general destruction in the vortex of ruin to which the world is rushing, will be their unity with each other, their clinging with all their might, mind, and strength to the building up of this kingdom, and making it their only interest, that they may hang together as one; knowing the text we started on, that it is the Lord's business to provide for His Saints.
I have seen the same spirit operate in the midst of these mountains. I have seen individuals here who are filled with the spirit of contention-who are filled with the spirit of wickedness; I have heard them complain, murmur, and find fault, until, by and bye, they conclude Brigham is wrong, the Church is wrong, and everything is wrong, and that they would go to California, and there stay until the great day, when the Prophet should come and set things right".

I am waiting for Jesus Christ
And I will ask Him.
"Why was Joseph Smith a Freemason?
Why did he partake of the Bloody oaths and covenants of The Pagan Tower Builders and the workers of Iron and the Craft of Tubal Cain?"

Anonymous said...

Why? Because I'm stupid, that's why.

Anonymous said...

Joseph Fielding Smith [Mormon Prophet] stated: "Mormonism, as it is called, must stand or fall on the story of Joseph Smith. He was either a prophet of God, divinely called, properly appointed and commissioned, or he was one of the biggest frauds this world has ever seen. There is no middle ground."
"If Joseph Smith was a deceiver, who wilfully attempted to mislead the people, then he should be exposed; his claims should be refuted, and his doctrines shown to be false, . . ." (Bruce R. McConkie, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, p. 188-9.)

Turn Freemasonry inside out and find out if it is Good or Evil. If Free masonry is Evil Cabala Witch Craft let the Truth Speak. Was Joseph Smith called of God To partake of Swear Bloody Oaths and Covenants of Freemasonry or Not?

34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s bthrone:
35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the bcity of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

29 And Satan said unto Cain:
aSwear unto me by thy throat, and if thou tell it thou shalt die; and swear thy brethren by their heads, and by the living God, that they tell it not; for if they tell it, they shall surely die

So tell What would Jesus Do and what did Joseph Do?

Anonymous said...

If I am a Master Mason of Higher degree than Joseph Smith he is Bound to me and not I to him.

that no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are-I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent. He holds the keys of that kingdom for the last dispensation-the keys to rule in the spirit-world; and he rules there triumphantly, for he gained full power and a glorious victory over the power of Satan while he was yet in the flesh, and was a martyr to his religion and to the name of Christ, which gives him a most perfect victory in the spirit-world. He reigns there as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling, as God does in heaven. Many will exclaim-"Oh, that is very disagreeable! It is preposterous! We cannot bear the thought!" But it is true.

Anonymous said...

Hey there fellow mystics..

I love the church and its people but I guess I must be classified as both an apostate and a bit of a mystic..

Here are a few articles about my mystical view of Mormonism for your viewing pleasure

For those interested in Abraham, and the priesthood:
( www dot specialoffersbulletinboard dot com forward slash abraham dot org )

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MerlintheMad said...

"Apostatize, apostatizing, apostatized", is that what I am doing? Or did I already and what comes eventually is only a formality?

I am sure that what I believe and where my thoughts continue to take me could only land my kiester in trouble with the mainline LDS. But I don't preach any of that IN church. The last I heard, "the law could have no power over a man because of his beliefs." (or words to that effect). But what you believe and how you behave because of that are two different things. As long as I keep my own counsel IN church, I might actually slide on by the local Authorities without notice: which would suit me just fine, because religion in the family-way is supposed to bond, not divide.

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Anonymous said...

15 ¶ And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers,

28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is atrue, whom ye know not.

I do not believe that Masonic/Mormon temples are the same as The Temple Jesus was in

As I was preparing to go on my Mission I went to the Mormon Temple (1984) That was the beginning of the End for Me.
The Masonic Bloody oaths, If I Knew where the Exit was I would have ran for MY life The washing and anointing was not bad, before the endowment started they invite you once to leave if you want to, but i did not know what was coming.
After years of digging thru the pits of hell into Masonic religion history, fighting the church's unique stand of Following Satan, Falling up to Exaltation, Polygamy and all the cover up, lies, real church history.
Yes I am a sinner (Like You)
Yes I have been offended.

But that is not what makes the church False,
The TRUTH shines and light cast shadows
1 Perverted MORMON polygamy
2 Master Mason Master Mahan Mormonism
3 False church History
4 False translations

MerlintheMad said...

Why all the anonymity?

Words are cheap. Speak your mind and the truth and identify yourself.

All of your objections are distorted truth and history.

Sure, the LDS Church teaches "faith-promoting history". All religions do that. Building faith is what they exist for. You've found it doesn't work for you, that's fine. But Mormonism isn't some evil Satanist or Luciferian cult. It's a religion formed by men seeking "God". All religions that endure are like that.

Anonymous said...

dear Mermaid the subject is about the truth from different angles, not about about me or my name,
Like Joseph Smith and his church either way the truth wins out, if I be wrong i will repent for leaving the church, but if I am right you can repent.
But Since I went to the Temple in 1984 it a started to fall apart for me, The masonic Blood Oaths were done away with, not good enough for me, I feel so betrayed and thought I could work it out but I can not.
The truth shall roll forth as a stone cut from out of the mountain with out hands, crush me it may or crush The Mormon church it May,
If I rot in Hell for following my mind and Heart I pray GOD to change my Heart and Mind. and if I be right to leave the church of the Tradition of my Fathers I also Pray He touches the heart and mind of the Members with exceeding mercy.
I do not hate Mormons, being raised in the church most of my family and friends are Mormon, I love them and Myself too.
Also I would caution anyone not to leave the church
even if they do not think it is NOT true, Most will become Mad at GOD and the whole world and turn their Back on everything good and Godly,
I think most Mormons are good Christians in spite
of Joseph Smith, because they think the church and want to be true to the church. and I think the best people on earth are in the mormon church, But that does not make it true for me,
From my perspective I received the Lucifer
Initiation in the Temple,

Anonymous said...

17 And it came to pass that they did preach with great power, insomuch that they did confound many of those dissenters who had gone over from the Nephites, insomuch that they came forth and did confess their sins and were baptized unto repentance, and immediately returned to the Nephites to endeavor to repair unto them the wrongs which they had done.I like That as if the church was True, but what happened?
they began to commit secret murders, and to rob and to plunder, that they might get gain.
21 But behold, Satan did stir up the ahearts of the more part of the Nephites, insomuch that they did unite with those bands of robbers, and did enter into their covenants and their oaths, that they would protect and preserve one another in whatsoever difficult circumstances they should be placed, that they should not suffer for their murders, and their plunderings, and their bstealings.
22 And it came to pass that they did have their signs, yea, their asecret signs, and their secret words; and this that they might distinguish a brother who had entered into the covenant, that whatsoever wickedness his brother should do he should not be injured by his brother, nor by those who did belong to his band, who had taken this covenant.
, those secret oaths and covenants did not come forth unto Gadianton from the brecords which were delivered unto Helaman; but behold, they were put into the heart of cGadianton by that dsame being who did entice our first parents to partake of the forbidden fruit-he who is the author of all sin-28 And they did enter into a covenant one with another, yea, even into that covenant which was given by them of old, which covenant was given and administered by the devil, to combine against all there not an account concerning them of old, that they by their secret plans did obtain kingdoms and great glory?
Will ye swear unto me that ye will be faithful unto me in the thing which I shall desire of you?

Anonymous said...

14 And it came to pass that they all sware unto him, by the God of heaven, and also by the heavens, and also by the earth, and by their heads, that whoso should vary from the assistance which Akish desired should lose his head; and whoso should divulge whatsoever thing Akish made known unto them, the same should lose his life.
nd Akish did administer unto them the oaths which were given by them of old who also sought power, which had been handed down even from bCain, who was a murderer from the beginning.
16 And they were kept up by the power of the devil to administer these oaths unto the people, to keep them in darkness, to help such as sought power to gain power, and to murder, and to plunder, and to lie, and to commit all manner of wickedness and whoredoms.24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.
29 And Satan said unto Cain: aSwear unto me by thy throat, and if thou tell it thou shalt die; and swear thy brethren by their heads, and by the living God, that they tell it not; for if they tell it, they shall surely die; and this that thy father may not know it; and this day I will deliver thy brother Abel into thine hands.
30 And Satan sware unto Cain that he would do according to his acommands. And all these things were done in secret.
31 And Cain said: Truly I am Mahan, the master of this great asecret, that I may bmurder and get cgain. Wherefore Cain was called Master Mahan, and he gloried in his wickedness.
For the Lord worketh not in secret combinations, neither doth he will that man should shed blood, but in all things hath forbidden it, from the beginning of man.20 And now I, Moroni, do not write the manner of their oaths and combinations, for it hath been made known unto me that they are had among all people,
Joseph Smith and Most of the high leaders in the early church were Master Mason and under the death oaths of That ungodly empire of Lucifer, head in sand no More.
Except ye repent ye shall be smitten, even unto adestruction.

MerlintheMad said...

"Anonymous": fine, you can keep your anonymity:

I've been through all of that countless times. You are aware, I am sure, that the official Church spin is that the Masonic rites are mere perversions and incompletely rendered copies of the actual temple ordinances anciently. This ought to have some weight, since the "apologetic" angle is always available and not just the disturbing, damning explanation. Here's the clincher, imho: IF the LDS people were being taught the kinds of secret oaths to "commit murder and get gain" that you reference, then yes, the "blood oaths" would mean Satanic connections. But since the obvious and REAL "blood oaths" hail from an earlier time, a more primitive time - even the 19th century and most of the 20th century! - it follows that many/most people at the temple required an inducement to behave. It could be seen as evidence that the Church has advanced: that the "blood oaths" (the fear mongering) has been (finally) dispensed with.

I have other issues vis-a-vis the dogmatic claims of the Church to exclusive authority and origins as taught. The "apologia" in those areas does not hold up for me.

Your advice is good: leaving the Church is akin to "throwing out the baby with the bath". My brother has largely done this: I have continued to attend Sunday meetings and encourage others by my association to better themselves through Church activity and adherence to the principles it teaches.

Here's another thing you may not have thought of: IF the Mormon religion and people are among the best on earth and in religion, how is it possible that this Satanic cultism actually exists within it? Such a literal corruption would produce a mainstream People at odds with the assertion, "Mormons are good Christians ... and I think the best people on earth are in the mormon church".

Anonymous said...

"IF the Mormon religion and people are among the best on earth and in religion, how is it possible that this Satanic cultism actually exists within it?"

Freemasonry is Described in the Book of Mormon and Bible.
Freemasonry and Mormonism does produce rather good people just striving to be the best, lower level people who do not know better about who in on top.
B.H. Roberts was the one who produced the
"History of The Church" kind of fell away from thinking that the Book of Mormon was "True" but still a book that could inspire one and a faith promoting book was fond to say about the Other
(Non-Young LDS) "Latter Day Saint" factions
that time would tell because those groups
Ether 8;9
I would say the VERY reason that the Young-LDS has prospered up to this day is because of the Borrowing The Purported "Solomons Temple" of the Freemasons. Their Oaths, Covenants, Government Etc...Abr. 1: 26 seeking earnestly to imitate that order established by the freemasons, Solomon defiled the Temple and introduce witchcraft and paganism in to the religion of the Jews and in Temple Worship. Solomon Put pagan Idols in the temple and was a wicked Polygamist. And the Builder of the temple were worshipers of the god Diana. The masons claim to be the builders of Solomon's Temple but trace their linage back to Tubal Cain, and as Being the builders of the Tower of Babel.BOOK OF MORMON says----Ether 8 : 9 Behold, is there not an account concerning them of old, that they by their secret plans did obtain kingdoms and great glory? Mormon should have searched out and destroyed the Freemasons but instead--
26 And thus in time, yea, even in the space of not many years, they became an exceedingly great band of robbers; and they did search out all the secret plans of Gadianton; and thus they became robbers of Gadianton.

Anonymous said...

Gen. 11: 4-5 4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven
Some might say it is not the freemasons, well then who? They even identify themselves
BOOK OF MORMON on the freemasons--Heleman 6:
21-22they did unite with those bands of robbers, and did enter into their covenants and their oaths, that they would protect and preserve one another in whatsoever difficult circumstances they should be placed, that they should not suffer for their murders, and their plunderings, and their bstealings.
22 And it came to pass that they did have their signs, yea, their secret signs, and their secret words; and this that they might distinguish a brother who had entered into the covenant, that whatsoever wickedness his brother should do he should not be injured by his brother, nor by those who did belong to his band, who had taken this covenant.
they were put into the heart of Gadianton by that same being who did entice our first parents to partake of the forbidden fruit—
27 Yea, that same being who did plot with Cain, that if he would murder his brother Abel it should not be known unto the world. And he did plot with Cain and his followers from that time forth.
28 And also it is that same being who put it into the hearts of the people to build a tower sufficiently high that they might get to heaven. And it was that same being who led on the people who came from that tower into this land; who spread the works of darkness and abominations over all the face of the land, until he dragged the people down to an entire destruction, and to an everlasting hell.
Ether 8:14 And it came to pass that they all sware unto him, by the God of heaven, and also by the heavens, and also by the earth, and by their heads, that whoso should vary from the assistance which Akish desired should lose his head; and whoso should divulge whatsoever thing Akish made known unto them, the same should lose his life.
Masonic Mormon Blood Oaths
Its was false from beginning to End and condemned in the Book of Mormon
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the gpower thereof.”
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time.
Joseph Smith joined the Luciferian BrotherHood and PriestCraft of Freemasonry

Anonymous said...

I, A. B., of my own free will and accord, in presence of Almighty God and this worshipful lodge of Free and Accepted Masons, dedicated to God, and held forth to the holy order of St. John, do hereby and hereon most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear that I will always hail, ever conceal and never reveal any part or parts, art or arts, point or points of the secret arts and mysteries of ancient Freemasonry which I have received, am about to receive, or may hereafter be instructed in, to any person or persons in the known world, except it be to a true and lawful brother Mason, or within the body of a just and lawfully constituted lodge of such; and not unto him, nor unto them whom I shall hear so to be, but unto him and them only whom I shall find so to be after strict trial and due examination, or lawful information. Furthermore, do I promise and swear that I will not write, print, stamp, stain, hew, cut, carve, indent, paint, or engrave it on any thing movable or immovable, under the whole canopy of heaven, whereby or whereon the least letter, figure, character, mark, stain, shadow, or resemblance of the same may become legible or intelligible to myself or any other person in the known world, whereby the secrets of Masonry may be unlawfully obtained through my unworthiness. To all of which I do most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear, without the least equivocation, mental reservation, or self evasion of mind in me

p. 22 whatever; binding myself under no less penalty than to have my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by the roots, and my body buried in the rough sands of the sea at low water-mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-hours; so help me God, and keep me steadfast in the due performance of the same."
Some might be okay with that I am Not

Anonymous said...

[And although many have refused to take any kind of an obligation, and begged for the privilege of retiring, yet none have ever made their escape; they have been either coerced or persuaded to submit. There are thousands who never return to the lodge after they are initiated.] The following obligation is then administered:

MerlintheMad said...

Joseph Smith joined the Luciferian BrotherHood and PriestCraft of Freemasonry

Indeed he did, and most of the leading Brethren of the new religion did likewise.

A couple of dichotomies in your logic should be pointed out:

You say that B. H. Roberts questioned the Book of Mormon's historicity/authenticity, and so he did. I happen to agree. So why all the asserted (quoted, again) BofM connections to Free Masonry? If the BofM is merely a "faith-promoting" book, its descriptions of blood oaths among the "secret combinations" are moot, not being based on any reality.

Next, you connect Free Mason claims to Solomon's temple, and even earlier to mythic times that have no empirical provenance. Self-claims are bogus without empirical evidence (we call this proof). Without such, anyone can believe what they choose; or change their belief because they recognize earlier beliefs to be erroneous.

I repeat: where is the evidence of this bloody oath-taking? Were J. Smith, et al. the early leaders of the church, zealous in exacting blood payment for the apostates who also betrayed Free Masonry? Did the Mormons themselves continue in FM? Is it part of the church today? "No", is the answer to each of those rhetorical questions, ergo there is no connection to FM except in your own mind.

I think that concern over a fabulous, contrived connection to what has characteristically been a peaceful brotherhood, is (or ought to be) the least of your concerns, vis-a-vis, is the Mormon religion literally the "only true and living church" that it claims to be....

Anonymous said...

Please never take any of my rants personal.
Pressing the issue gets "TRUTH" out there.
And thank you for Giving honest opinions.
When I refer to Luciferians they are those who are of the Idea that The Fall was From the Intelligent "god'
and from the "god" that wanted to save Humans From
innocence in-no-sense Ignorance and darkened minds

A few years back, workers toiling in an underground chamber beneath a medieval cathedral in Geneva, Switzerland uncovered a strange mosaic tile floor, thought to be of great antiquity. The mosaic depicted an icon beloved by the Merovingians: the Black Sun. The Priory of Sion claims that one of its principle commandaries is in Geneva, and if so, this may be it. For hidden away in the cathedral’s recesses, far from public view, is one of Christendom’s strangest set of relics: a plate and cup connected to the legends of Cain, Solomon, Christ, and Lucifer.
In an ancient variation on Biblical tradition, the so-called “mark of Cain” - believed to have been inflicted upon Adam’s first son - is said to have been caused by a stone that fell from Lucifer’s crown during the war in Heaven and bounced off Cain‘s forehead. According to this lore, the mark was in the shape of a red serpent. The jewel from Lucifer’s crown became a sacred relic, and was handed down dynastically from father to son, eventually coming into the possession of King Solomon. He hired a master craftsman to carve the huge stone into a plate and drinking vessel. According to this same legend, these very utensils were later used by Christ at the Last Supper. This story, bizarre though it may be, is emblematic of the unambiguously Luciferian symbolism that recurs constantly in regards to lore of the Grail bloodline - symbolism that has been consciously cultivated by the Merovingians throughout their history.

Anonymous said...

F&AM Free and Accepted Masons
(No Blacks Allowed)
Is it part of the church today? "No", ooops
In 1984, President Spencer W. Kimball removed the prohibition against Latter-day Saints becoming Freemasons. Later that year, the Grand Lodge of Utah removed its own ban on Mormon membership so that, in the twenty ensuing years, many Latter-day Saint men began to reclaim this part of their heritage. Respected men in the LDS Church have since become leaders in the Masonic fraternity throughout the world.
"Re-united and it feels sooo Good"
In 1984 the Grand Lodge of Utah and church leadership under President Spencer W. Kimball mutually agreed to drop their antagonistic positions against each another. While some suspicion remains on both sides, today there is no formal barrier preventing a male Mormon from becoming a Freemason or vice versa

Here is a strange link

Anonymous said...

"A couple of dichotomies in your logic should be pointed out" "are moot, not being based on any reality."

Oh by the way there is nothing Logical about twisted lies and translations and the grabbing on of Joseph Smith to any and almost anything in his reach, He was illogical.
Being a Mormon Myself I am at liberty to use the the Mormon books anyway I choose, there is no Logic to the big Mormon Lie.
On March 11, 1844, Joseph Smith, the Mormon prophet, admitted several men to a special council that would come to be known as the Council of Fifty. Smith said that this council formed the nucleus for the Kingdom of God that would grow on the earth. Some scholars (particularly Hansen 1967 / 1974) have argued that the Council of Fifty was the driving agent of Mormon history between 1844 and the late 1800s. However, more recent research has revealed that the impact of the council was less substantial, though still significant.
The Danites were a secret fraternal oath-bound society and that the members were to be punished with death if they made public the secrets of the order.

MerlintheMad said...

You're mostly just cutting and pasting from sensational, conspiracy theory and anti-Mormon websites.

I used to frequent

I've heard all of this legendary connection type stuff many times already; it makes for good novel and movie fodder.

It doesn't matter what Mormons ALSO belong to: I can become a Roman Catholic or Muslim or Free Mason and still remain a "member in good standing" in the Mormon religion: as long as I don't demand the right to criticize the church or actively fight against it my membership will remain intact. You have to be really, overtly obnoxious to attract disciplinary action.

I'm unsure why you are even bothered by any of this. If you don't believe it, but yet remain convinced that the Mormon religion possesses some of the best people on earth, because they ARE Mormons: why then are you going around posting faith-questioning stuff about FM and Mormon connections?

"Luciferians" would be guilty of switching roles: of making "God" out to be the psychotic bad guy, and Lucifer the maligned champion. This would de facto switch the roles of morality as well: making "the commandments" into a control freak creed: while hedonism and selfish pleasure at the expense of innocent victims become the ultimate "good" (there actually being NO good or evil, but relativity: whatever prospers "your" quest for pleasure is okeedokee). If you seriously challenge the status quo to such a degree that you entertain this notion of altered states/roles in the cosmos: then I am indeed sorry for you and hope that you soon see the error of your confusion: before you turn into another Brian David Mitchell, or worse....

Anonymous said...

FREEMASONRY-In others (e.g. the Notzrim and Mandaeans) he (JESUS) is considered a mšiha kdaba or "false messiah" who perverted the teachings entrusted to him by John the Baptist.

That is why the Freemason say they are of ST Johns
and John the Baptist Lodge-- Yet NEVER mention JESUS CHRIST.
Gnosticism (Greek: γνῶσις gnōsis, knowledge) refers to diverse, syncretistic religious movements in antiquity consisting of various belief systems generally united in the teaching that the material cosmos was created by an imperfect god, the demiurge with some of the supreme God's pneuma; this being is frequently identified with Yahweh, (as opposed to the Gospel according to the Hebrews) and is contrasted with a superior entity, referred to by several terms including Pleroma and Godhead.[1] Depictions of the demiurge—the term originates with Plato's Timaeus[2]—vary from being as an embodiment of evil, to being merely imperfect and as benevolent as its inadequacy permits. Gnosticism was a dualistic religion, influenced by and influencing Hellenic philosophy, Judaism (see Notzrim), and Christianity;[3] however, by contrast, later strands of the movement, such as the Valentinians, held a monistic world-view.[4] This, along with the varying treatments of the demiurge, may be seen as indicative of the variety of positions held within the category.

Anonymous said...


"I'm unsure why you are even bothered by any of this. If you don't believe it"

Oh I do Believe!!!!!!

I Paid Tithing, Went on a Mission, Did Home Teaching,Swore Deaths Oaths, Did Home teaching, Went to Cemetery (Seminary) 3 Years, and I have 5 Generations of Mormon heritage, a Life in the Church.Etc..............................................................
Is Mormonism real? YES. Is it a Lie? Yes,
Did I knock on doors? Yes
Was I Deceived Yes? Do I believe in telling the Truth?
Am I Perfect? No Are you Perfect? No
The Truth Makes Sets Man free and as best I can I tell the Truth. and I always seek Truth.

MerlintheMad -only because you asked Me------I ask you
I would Guess that you do Not Pay tithing, Go to the temple, Do home teaching, or are ready to pay vengence against those that now lIve in Mormon ZION, Nor do I Think your Hand Cart is Ready to Flee to Zion.

Are you Hiding From the Truth in the Back seat of the Mormon Church? Is your relationship with the truth and the church rather casual.
Mormonism is your Comfortable hiding place, I hope you enjoy it.
That kind of RelationShip is Called Theosophy

MerlintheMad said...

Actually, I sit toward the front with my back propped against either wall; I'm not picky which side I sit on. I go every week; pay tithing; get a recommend whenever I need one for family stuff, e.g. marriages, missions, etc. I stay vewy, vewy quiet in church. So yes, I am hiding in plain sight.

I DO see the church as a way of life that betters people. I was born into it; raised in it; and have raised my family in it. As far as I can tell, it's the best manmade religion on the planet; at least around here. So why should I angst over finding another? They're ALL manmade.

My religious world view in a nutshell: men make religions, mess them up a lot, and cause a lot of grief when they mess them up. "God" never did call prophets to preach to the masses and call them to repentance. "Scripture" is all inspirational writings wherever they are found; no religion has an exclusive claim to authority, revelation or truth. "God" works within religions, but also works everywhere, and within everything else.

The end "product" of any religion (or any life experience) is to teach the individual what Joy is and is not: we are supposed to become better people. If religion helps a person be better than they would be without it, then religion is okay in my book. The reverse is also true: religion gives rotten, confused people excuses to misbehave: then religion is counterproductive and ought to be dispensed with (e.g. Brian David Mitchell)....

Anonymous said...

Merlin the Mad

I really like and appreciate your humor and honesty!!!

I think in my DNA i come from the Fighting Zealot Class. Maybe that is why I am White?

Any way The Mormon Church claims God Told J.S.
that all the Churches were Wrong, and Mormonism is under the Opinion That IT is The One and Only True Church will the Keys of all dispensations for the great winding down seen and that J.S. has replaced PETER and that we will all Need to Give Bro. Joe and Brigham a Secret hand shake at the Pearly gates.

Swearing Blood oaths to an organization that was as made up as an other and then Mission, tithing, Seminary, Home teaching ETC.......... Yawn!!!!!!!!

For My mission I was rather "successful" and pulled people from their families and their" Wicked" churches... So when I got home I had to Really weigh and see what is True, I can not really say i know what is true but i do know who has been telling lies.

I went to Northern Ohio and became very good friends with the Reorganized and other Mormon Groups I seen where it all went down Kirtland , Amhearst, Johnson Farm Etc............
The Reorgs have a lot of history, and "other" history.
Joseph Smiths Wife Emma and the children fought against Brigham Young and Polygamy you can feel the pain that the saints went thru as the church suffered greatly over polygamy and Masonry and Joseph Smiths Death.

We have a rather casual commitment, we just need to show up if we want to , we are not making shoe leather stew, pulling a hand cart across the plains in the frozen snow, watching our family members die on the way side.

That why It matters to me. If my family members were fooled in to this, I feel and think it is my duty to at least let the world know what really happened.
By the way all from the comfort of a nice house with heat, lights, chair, with fresh water, a steak and the easy push of a few buttons.

In the name of a "god' look at what is happening today,and when the phone rings are we ready to kill our neighbor or to put our hand cart to Zion?

"no religion has an exclusive claim to authority, revelation or truth. "God" works within religions, but also works everywhere, and within everything else."

Anonymous said...

Indeed he did, and most of the leading Brethren of the new religion did likewise.

Joseph Smith joined the Luciferian BrotherHood and PriestCraft of Freemasonry

MerlintheMad said...

Well, your anger will power some kind of reaction. It is obvious that you've been made angry by your discoveries of early church history.

The difference between us is that I am not angry. My integrity won't let me lie other than to prevent a greater evil occurring if the truth be told (so far, I haven't had to make such a judgment between evils that requires a lie from me). So I am offended by my discovery that so much obfuscation and outright lying was part of early Mormonism: and by direct association today the lying continues: more like denial, though, than deliberate, calculated lying. "Faith promoting history" is the euphemism employed by the GAs, and copied by all other teachers in the church in lockstep with them.

The only difference between Mormonism and the rest of the world's older religions is that Mormonism has been lying for a shorter space of time.

My approach is to seek alone: I no longer look for guidance from books, because I just keep seeing the same familiar exegesis in any of them. Sermons, ditto that. All religion is the same: mankind searching for answers, and leaders controlling the answers by defining the dogma.

The universe is simply too big to bother with manmade religion for answers to anything. Science is no better than a wide-eyed brat staring mesmerized at the starry night sky: but at least science is looking and counting and measuring, etc. Religion continues to assert that "all the answers" to existence are contained within the covers of Bronze Age books and targums of the same (e.g. the BofM).

I've read the BofM cover-to-cover well over two-dozen times. So I am confident in my dismissal of it as Joseph Smith's brilliant first try at religion-making....

Anonymous said...
Hymmmmmmm lots of Masonic stuff here
Witchcraft and Freemasonry same thing a few changes in words and deed- contrast and compare and beware
If you have been inside you will Know

Anonymous said...

Inasmuch as this church of Christ has been reproached with the crime of fornication, and polygamy: we declare that we believe, that one man should have one wife; and one woman, but one husband, except in case of death, when either is at liberty to marry again. It is not right to persuade a woman to be baptized contrary to the will of her husband, neither is it lawful to influence her to leave her husband. All children are bound by law to obey their parents; and to influence them to embrace any religious faith, or be baptized, or leave their parents without their consent, is unlawful and unjust. We believe that husbands, parents and masters who exercise control over their wives, children, and servants and prevent them from embracing the truth, will have to answer for that sin.

We have given the above rule of marriage as the only one practiced in this church, to show that Dr. J. C. Bennett's "secret wife system" is a matter of his own manufacture; and further to disabuse the public ear, and shew [show] that the said Bennett and his misanthropic friend Origen Bachelor, are perpetrating a foul and infamous slander upon an innocent people, and need but be known to be hated and despise. In support of this position, we present the following certificates:-

We the undersigned members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and residents of the city of Nauvoo, persons of families do hereby certify and declare that we know of no other rule or system of marriage than the one published from the Book of Doctrine and Covenants, and we give this certificate to show that Dr. J. C. Bennett's "secret wife system" is a creature of his own make as we know of no such society in this place nor never did.

S. Bennett, N. K. Whitney,

George Miller, Albert Pettey,

Alpheus Cutler, Elias Higbee,

Reynolds Cahoon, John Taylor,

Wilson Law, E. Robinson,

W. Woodruff, Aaron Johnson.

We the undersigned members of the ladies' relief society, and married females do certify and declare that we know of no system of marriage being practised [practiced] in the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints save the one contained in the Book of Doctrine and Covenants, and we give this certificate to the public to show that J. C. Bennett's "secret wife system" is a disclosure of his own make.

Emma Smith, President,

Elizabeth Ann Whitney, Counsellor [Counselor],

Sarah M. Cleveland, Counsellor [Counselor],

Eliza R. Snow, Secretary,

Mary C. Miller, Catharine Pettey,

Lois Cutler, Sarah Higbee,

Thirza Cahoon, Phebe Woodruff

Ann Hunter, Leonora Taylor,

Jane Law, Sarah Hillman,

Sophia R. Marks, Rosannah Marks

Could all you Good Mormons tell where this is or was in your D&C and why it is all missing today.
When do B.Youngs section 132 come along. Why did the LDS flip flop and fall?

Anonymous said...

Many wives Many Lives Many Lies
where is the truth